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Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.20 23:13:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote:Okay, so the consensus seems to be that, at the moment, the heavy is overpowered.
The consensus ain't wrong. If you ran into the average heavy in a PvE shooter, it would be a mini-boss. Its defenses are impressive, its offense equally impressive; even one, skillfully used, can apparently slice a squad of assault suits to bits in seconds; and a team is restricted in their use only by the number of players skilled to equip them. It's not uncommon to see a team with an assault force made up primarily of heavies.
You're very new here if you don't know the history of the assault rifle nerf since it just happened a couple of weeks ago, So welcome. I'll fill you in, paraphrasing a bit of course. A few weeks back, nobody cared about heavies. The "nerf" was the replacement of the assault rifle scope with iron sights and the addition of recoil. For some people it affected their game considerably, for others it did not. Exmaple Core (Probably the best heavy in the game) finally became the top killer on the leaderboards after the "nerf." And now, here we are with everyone crying for a nerf to the heavies. I think that pretty much sums it up in my kinda biased opinion.
I don't agree that the heavy is OP, but I do believe that there are a few trolls that would like you to think that. I do think that the heavy is more likely to kill you than the other way around if you don't use some kind of tactics to defeat him.
I am a decent heavy and I certainly cannot do those things you speak of. It's sounds like a story about Batman. I will agree though that a squad of heavies is a scary thing. As a heavy, I don't mind 1v1 heavy (I actually look forward to it), but more than that and I would like some back up. I hate to imagine 4 prototype Heavies walking around like snails killing anything dumb enough to get close. Total HP is probably just over 4k. That's like a really good tank. But then again, a tank is one person, and this is 4. And the combined cost of one set of suits for the whole heavy squad will be well over 1 mil isk and they are likely to die at least 2-3 times during a decent match. So in reality, it's no where near as good as a tank, but it's every bit as scary.
Perhaps the solution to this is not a "nerf," but a limit to the number of heavies that can be on the same squad or team? I don't want this, but it seems a better alternative to a nerf. |
Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.21 03:12:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Keep up the good posting though, merc. Welcome to the war.
I also want to point out that I wasn't trying to come down on the OP. I can tell that he is a rookie merc, and the post is very well thought out, even though it pi**ed me off reading it.
@Tarquin, when those assault suits hit prototype and they start adding shield extenders, assaults have as much, if not more shield than most heavies. As powerful as the hmg is, a prototype assault rifle can kill a heavy faster than they can turn around. The heavy is hitting a plateau right now as the suits and weapons won't get better.
Most of the drama that you are seeing in the forum is politics. The war of new eden is not only fought on the battlefield, but also right here on the forums. When you can't beat them on one side, there's a chance you can beat them on the other. When you're in the top %, you will do anything cutthroat and without hesitation to have a chance at being the best. It's sad, but it's life. You would think it is the olympics or something, but nope, just a video game.
I'm trying to do my best to make sure that the devs use "real" information from the game as opposed to listening to the ridiculous claims. Just look at the stats of some of the people that are crying about this and you will wonder why they have any complaints at all. If they do change it, fine, good even, but use real information.
Be careful getting yourself caught up in this stuff. Eve is brutal, and I'm afraid they haven't seen anything yet.
Welcome to New Eden. |
Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.21 03:46:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Do heavies get automatic fire as soon as they hit the trigger or does it take 2 seconds to spin up to firing velocity? ANy minigun should have to spin up. And it should take two to three seconds to shoot that thing, lest it jam or overheat.
You will be dead in less than two seconds if anybody is hitting your head. And we have very big heads. |
Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.01.21 05:49:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote:
I mean, we all seem to have our moments of greatness in this game (I've got a couple moments from matches today m'self that leave me feeling all warm and tingly), and maybe that was just one of theirs.
I think you're right. We all have those games occasionally and being "good" does not mean you always have them, but that you have them more frequently. Two games I scored first place in last couple of hours, one i went 17/1, and other was 14/1. most games i stayed in single digits and didn't rank in the top 3. my overall k/d ratio hasn't changed at 3. But those poor guys who I played against in those two matches were probably cursing at me and calling me OP.
Some matches I can not seem to miss when mowing people over with my LAV. Some matches are soooo good, I actually feel guilty for killing people so much. (What can I say? I'm a sensitive merc) But other times I can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn. In the end, the numbers don't lie, but people on forums do.
You show some potential, and since I've been drinking and you appear to still be listening, i'll continue talking. lol. Do your homework on the people who are stirring the pot the most on those threads and start with the guy who has started them. Take a look at their stats, and then watch how they play. If you still think they have any right to call nerf on somebody, I'll be very surprised.
It's all Dust political BS. it's fine as long as it's only the people that ccp doesn't take seriously. But the purpose of the threads are to get people like you to catch on, and you certainly remember that one time when that heavy came in and pwned everyone real good, don't you? Yeah, we all do. that doesn't make them OP. CCP may not listen to them, but if everyone joins the fight, they will.
You've already figured out a couple of fool proof ways to kill a heavy. Why don't you wait until you have your prototype armor and then tell me if you still think heavies are OP. |
Stinker Butt
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.01.21 06:51:00 -
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Tarquin Markel wrote: I'd like to hear your thoughts on heavy proliferation (you've already suggested limiting their/your numbers, so I presume you see the issue) .
Don't presume that. I can only say that it is intimidating to face a team full of heavies. That could be a match making issue as much as anything. Don't take it personally, but I don't trust your gut. You may perceive 80% heavies out there, but show me the numbers. There are 4 types of suits, so balance would be 25% each. We know it will never be perfect, so maybe +/- 10%? so if there are > 35% heavies actively playing, then ccp should consider changing something. Or maybe it's less than 15% and they need a buff.
I'm just making numbers up here to make a point, which is, CCP doesn't need our advice on who or how to nerf. That is why your thread seems somewhat under-appreciated. What they do need is suggestions on how to improve the game. Had you worded things differently from the beginning, it probably would have had more positive feedback. |
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