DUST Search - The State of the Community in Dust 514

Yay Adski wrote:

The thing with this game is the more things become flattened (balanced) the more of a generic shooter it becomes. I loved the game when suits had more hp etc because it was a challenge and meant something when you got skilled upto that level, now it's more like ooo look what I have, an overpriced type I/II suit with an extra whistle or 2.

People complained about the SP and how others could get ahead of them, they could of solved that by just not allowing players with over (say) 5 mill sp to play against those with a lower amount. Now players hit the cap and more often then not get off the game. This can possibly reduce the amount of money people spend on the on things like AUR and active boosters.

Overall I don't think the stuff like fw etc alone will keep the game going, especially if the core fps mechanics are not even sorted. People hate on CoD but you cannot deny that the game works, good sights, fluid movements etc, and no I don't expect this game to be perfect. For me I hate CoD because of the people that play it, this game I don't hate but I think it's become very stale, purely because of the things they've done i.e militia nades are op etc etc. They took what was a fun game and made it just dull.

No doubt I'll get some hate, so I'll just put on my flame suit now


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Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.01.19 13:43:00 - [1] - Quote I think its about time some of us made the choice many already have in Dust 514... Its time to choose to constructively help CCP make this game a great experience or to try alter the mechanics so that they only cater to the way YOU like to play. I'm choosing to help because this game can be GREAT, and I say that as a player who doesn't even really get into the spacey combat thing. I'm a big sci-fi fan (I have every Ender book Card has written) and prefer contemporary military shooters, but none of them have come REMOTELY close to pushing the envelope like this. thats a FACT. I've been here since the second build and one thing I can say for sure is that this game has improved by leaps and bounds. It still has some features that we've yet to see and tweaks that need to be added (vehicle handling i'm looking at you) but its easily the most balanced game i've EVER PLAYED. There are some very uniquely mature people in this community as well (stand-up guys like Nova and Zion Shad come to mind) and I hope their worthy causes start to draw more attention than troll threads crying about mechanics that don't suit someone's individual playing style. While the Dust FPS mechanics are average (hopefully to be constantly improved on) some of us need to take a hard look at ourselves. Do you want a game where you never die? Because thats sure what it seems like. No names, but I watched a guy go 22-4 recently, the funny part? On each of the 4 times he died he literally acted like the world was ending. We've all heard it "OMG this friggin lagger just killed me!" or "what? this guy headglitched me" and everyone's favorite "I just hit him with a full clip, this hit detection sucks!" yessss...the same hit detection that was just fine on his 22 kills eye roll anyone else see the bias I do? I know this is a solid game, know why? Because elite players are still elite THAT'S WHY. I've seen guys that consistently put up great numbers CONTINUE to do that, but for some guys thats not enough...they should dominate like they did in MAG, BF3 or COD or KZ, the list goes on and on. its sad when people cant consider the fact that someone may just wait for it...wait for it... may have actually gotten the better of you. NEVER THAT. These type of players are so "leet" that should succeed in every 1 vs 1 (hell, sometimes 1 vs 2 or even 3) that they encounter and if they lose these encounters, something isnt wrong with them....OH NO, you guessed it, something is wrong with THE GAME. uh huh....riiiiight...sounds legit. Over a year ago Cysquatch from the PFBHz told me something i'll never forget. He said "MAG is a game with some really bad mechanics that some people know how to manipulate, it doesn't necessarily make them good. It doesnt make them scrubs either, but if you take away those bad mechanics and you might be surprised." He was right too. And I think thats where it begins and ends. Flawed mechanics have given alot of people a skewed view of how things should work. MAG's knives and shotguns? The frag rounds and M26 dart in BF3? COD? Really??? This is the quality you speak of? You cant compare this game to anything else, and I know this is going to hurt a few egos but consider the fact that your issue isnt with Dust, its with your REFERENCE POINT. While I have my fingers crossed for a spawn/grenade/mass driver fix like everyone else, CCP has earned my patience because of how they've tuned swarms (Godly when I first started) knives, the auto TAC AR issue and several other game-breakers. they've promised to make this a game that actually matters and are giving us more depth than many of us ever considered, and we've got a chance to help them do it. So choose to help, or maybe choose to cry about every gunfight that doesnt go your way. ITS UP TO YOU.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.01.19 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote "im lookin forward to more things like VR Training rooms to help both newbies and practice with corp mates, corp armories to store salvage and other stuff, secondary market, weapon customization and better FW mechanics..........all these things ive posted feedback on in detail (minus the 2ndary market and armory those are self explanatory) that i hope to see implemented soon cuz those are the things i feel will keep both casual and hardcore fans engaged in the New Eden universe." You and me both Numberz. Guys like us have been waiting for real VR training rooms since like...FOREVER. Did MAG give them to us? nope...BF3, KZ3, COD? Nope, no one but these guys from Iceland. I'm preaching to the choir because I know people like us want the same things. Real features that make this game great so we can shoot at each other/take over planets like civilized mercs are supposed to. Some of the other guys tho? the "blue dot force" is strong in them...too strong. I've been rolling Heavy since last build and there are rumors of a nerf, Big Deal i'm not crying about it. Whatever is best for the game. PERIOD. Your feedback is getting noticed i'm sure. And they respond as much as they can, Just keep in mind CCP has to sift through all these mindless threads full of garbage and tears. And thats why I posted this, I feel like the Paris Hiltons (you know who you are) are starting to flood the boards with their foolishness. That crap is hurting progress. Guys like Nova (his Player Balancing Initiative thread got derailed) are trying to get stuff done but people are posting in threads about how a orbital destroyed their tank...really???? Nova Knife's PBI chatroom he created has three peope in it usually. That can't friggin happen. None of us cares for Dustmercs but Harmon was spot on about how bad reviews will kill this game, we need more people for his merc work event to help promote this game. So it gets the opportunity to become what it can be....or we can go back to playing BF3, KZ and MAG. Yup, that'll be fun. Tears/Told-you-so's are gonna flow when 400 people total are playing the game, but we have the chance to make a difference RIGHT NOW with our direction as a community. Just sayin'...
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.01.19 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote V Shadow wrote: I will admit I thought this would be a long post complaining about all the floors in dust, I was wrong and congratulate you on a very good post. For me this is the first console shooter I have played in years, due to using the pc for most of my fps gaming. then before dust I had not played many fps games for a while due to several reasons in RL. This I feel made me look at this game as an individual, like you have said to do. I think this may make me slightly more aware of the complainants such as "but in [insert other fps] you can do [what ever the complaint is]" I think if we all take a step back from everything we might be able to see the bigger picture. though I will admit I will sometimes make remarks on coms about some of my deaths, but that is in the match, and I like to keep it there unless I start to notice a real trend or problem such as grenade spam. edit also ^ I too can not wait for vr training or a "shooting range" as it were to try out weapons and vehicles without looking like I'm not trying to a team in a pub match when playing with these things. you and me both, VR Trainers and shooting ranges FTW. No one puts one grubby hand on my souped-up LAV until I know they can drive.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.01.19 17:10:00 - [4] - Quote Yay Adski wrote: The thing with this game is the more things become flattened (balanced) the more of a generic shooter it becomes. I loved the game when suits had more hp etc because it was a challenge and meant something when you got skilled upto that level, now it's more like ooo look what I have, an overpriced type I/II suit with an extra whistle or 2. People complained about the SP and how others could get ahead of them, they could of solved that by just not allowing players with over (say) 5 mill sp to play against those with a lower amount. Now players hit the cap and more often then not get off the game. This can possibly reduce the amount of money people spend on the on things like AUR and active boosters. Overall I don't think the stuff like fw etc alone will keep the game going, especially if the core fps mechanics are not even sorted. People hate on CoD but you cannot deny that the game works, good sights, fluid movements etc, and no I don't expect this game to be perfect. For me I hate CoD because of the people that play it, this game I don't hate but I think it's become very stale, purely because of the things they've done i.e militia nades are op etc etc. They took what was a fun game and made it just dull. No doubt I'll get some hate, so I'll just put on my flame suit now I disagree with the flattening aspect but its your opinion and that makes it valid. I prefer gameplay that gives subtle advantages with gear so that milita isnt crap while proto is godly. I want bang for my buck as well (more slots, shields, armor cpu and pg with each upgrade so its worth my ISK) but I think the game is better when its more skill than gear. I like the idea of lower level queues as well but i'm not sure how they'll fit it in the EVE mythology. I hope they do though. I agree we need more as well but keep in mind we're seeing like 30% of the game with like 2 game modes I may be an optimist but I think sights will come. In regards to COD i'm not sure what you mean by fluid. Do you mean you can sprint and swap from shooting an AR to whipping out a pistol in .2 secs? Or do you mean better graphics running at 60 FPS with no clipping/skipping? Because the former I can do without...its part of that poor reference point I mentioned earlier. To some hit detection means perfect aim while strafing while hip firing, to me its damage being counted when a round strikes the target. the last thing you mentioned was nade spam. I hope they put them back where they were, find a better sweet spot for missiles and retune mass drivers as well. And I trust they will.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:24:00 - [5] - Quote Free Beers wrote: TL;DR Summay or should I assume is a lecture about one of the following -Trolling -community group hugs -constructiveness -It's just beta fanboi-dom If I'm wrong let me know. If you want Idea's to be discussed then post idea's with your opinion and support for it. In general this game is broke and its obvious from changes like nades that ccp doesn't understand fps game/fps players/ or even the mechanics they created. This is sparta so wear your big girl panties Funny story...so my niece is kinda like that too. When the other little kids dont play the games the way she likes? She kicks and bites and cries and does everything to disrupt the game being played. even gets mad at the teacher if the game she likes to play isn't chosen. she's SIX.