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Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:34:00 -
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Several recent threads have caused me to become concerned with the fact that some people do not want or cannot accept criticism from follow beta testers.
The few topics that emerged during this week were heavily disputed upon by an author and other people, and mostly a suggestion or complaint was met with disagreement. Of course, some replies may have been too harsh, but usually they were constructive and provided valid counter-arguments, providing good criticism of an OP. And what did those authors do? They refused to accept the criticism and started to insult, threaten, and enforce their opinion on people who disagreed.
What saddens me here is the fact that there are people here who follow the mindset of Robespierre; they believe their opinion is paramount and is universal truth. At least, instead of killing those who don't agree, these authors call the people with opposing ideas kids/noobs/idiots/insert your insult here. This is not how life works, however. You are not always going to be agreed with! People need to learn and accept it, for the sake of this community. You only have the right to state your case and try to convince other people to agree with you, instead of accusing them of being inferior to you and your "truthful" opinion.
However, I am glad to see that there are only few such Maximillans, and others try to persuade them to abandon such harmful mindset.
TL;DR: I urge you to read the entire post so my points become clearer But, anyway, here it is: Some people do not want to accept criticism they meet when posting threads. Instead of forming supportive arguments and trying to debate in a civil way, they resort to insults and accusations. It is necessary for them to learn to tolerate criticism and react appropriately to it. |
Barack Ownbama
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
159
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:38:00 -
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This isn't life though, this is the internet. Regardless of where you go, you're always going to find people like this. Especially when they're capable of hiding behind a false persona. Best thing to do is to just laugh at them and move on |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:41:00 -
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#1 get used to it its an internet forum and this is always true
#2 some people who make threads deserve to be trolled for their comment
#3 if you cannot accept #1 and #2 then perhaps game forums arent your thing
#4 people on this forums even more so than others get QQ way too fast thus leading to excessive trolling do to the ease of collecting tears
#5 anything protoman posts is always true so any argument against him must automatically be false and stupid......... |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:56:00 -
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90% of what is said is social dynamic bs most of the time noone cares I would take any forum community over 50 people with a pintch of salt as once u break the 50 mark all sorts of strange things happen. I think wrote about this once when they were trying to work out why mega alliance memberships seem to cap out after a certain point. |
Lord Crases
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
19
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:01:00 -
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Barack Ownbama wrote:This isn't life though, this is the internet. Regardless of where you go, you're always going to find people like this. Especially when they're capable of hiding behind a false persona. Best thing to do is to just laugh at them and move on
I don't think a hidden persona has much to do with it. many people will be like 'whats the odds someone s going to drive all the way to 'insert here' to come get me?' |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:14:00 -
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Acuttly its been prove people behave diffrent online than off many people use it as a chance/realase to behave how they really want too rather than what society tells them they should do |
Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:23:00 -
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wasted speech man no one cares. This like any other forums community is disfunctional yet still has purpose. Just have to wade through the 90% that is nonsense if you want to contribute. If not its a troll play ground |
jeremiah j
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:37:00 -
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Although I agree it is going to happen no matter what anyone does it still saddens me that people are unable to field proper debates. You should state your opinion suggestion, use facts as much as possible, be willing to change your mindset. I have had a few posts with this char and my other where the op will simply stop posting as I have been respectful, stated my opinion, asked for clarification, and shows the fallacies in argument. People find it hard to accept that their world view is challengeable. |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:08:00 -
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Intolerance shall not be tolerated.
I agree with you, but trying to reason with unreasonable people is difficult to impossible. But oh well. At least you tried. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:43:00 -
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Barack Ownbama wrote:This isn't life though, this is the internet. Regardless of where you go, you're always going to find people like this. Especially when they're capable of hiding behind a false persona. Best thing to do is to just laugh at them and move on
Surely, I laugh at first... But them it becomes so sorrowful looking at OP's posts, just like in a certain thread that got locked recently.
semperfi1999 wrote:#1 get used to it its an internet forum and this is always true #2 some people who make threads deserve to be trolled for their comment #3 if you cannot accept #1 and #2 then perhaps game forums arent your thing #4 people on this forums even more so than others get QQ way too fast thus leading to excessive trolling do to the ease of collecting tears #5 anything protoman posts is always true so any argument against him must automatically be false and stupid.........
1. Got used to them a long time ago. 2. Even following this mentality, I can't understand why OP posters seem to be surprised and greatly upset that someone disagrees/trolls them. 3. I'm fine with forums, thank you. 4. My point, actually. I've been to some forums, and there were ones where you could count the number of such behaving people by fingers on your hands. Here, however, I see that the count is too high, thus all the trolling. 5. I already saw it somewhere...
steadyhand amarr wrote:Acuttly its been prove people behave diffrent online than off many people use it as a chance/realase to behave how they really want too rather than what society tells them they should do
Yes, I see your point. But what is the reason for acting so impudently? You are not helping anyone by stumping your chest and yelling around every corner that you are the Prophet of Truth. I can not understand this kind of mentality.
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Barack Ownbama
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
159
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:49:00 -
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Lord Crases wrote:Barack Ownbama wrote:This isn't life though, this is the internet. Regardless of where you go, you're always going to find people like this. Especially when they're capable of hiding behind a false persona. Best thing to do is to just laugh at them and move on I don't think a hidden persona has much to do with it. many people will be like 'whats the odds someone s going to drive all the way to 'insert here' to come get me?' It happens
And hidden persona's have a lot to do with how people react online. The ability to be anonymous has fundamentally shaped the foundation of the internet for the good and the bad. Also...
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:41:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Barack Ownbama wrote:This isn't life though, this is the internet. Regardless of where you go, you're always going to find people like this. Especially when they're capable of hiding behind a false persona. Best thing to do is to just laugh at them and move on Surely, I laugh at first... But them it becomes so sorrowful looking at OP's posts, just like in a certain thread that got locked recently. semperfi1999 wrote:#1 get used to it its an internet forum and this is always true #2 some people who make threads deserve to be trolled for their comment #3 if you cannot accept #1 and #2 then perhaps game forums arent your thing #4 people on this forums even more so than others get QQ way too fast thus leading to excessive trolling do to the ease of collecting tears #5 anything protoman posts is always true so any argument against him must automatically be false and stupid......... 1. Got used to them a long time ago. 2. Even following this mentality, I can't understand why OP posters seem to be surprised and greatly upset that someone disagrees/trolls them. 3. I'm fine with forums, thank you. 4. My point, actually. I've been to some forums, and there were ones where you could count the number of such behaving people by fingers on your hands. Here, however, I see that the count is too high, thus all the trolling. 5. I already saw it somewhere... steadyhand amarr wrote:Acuttly its been prove people behave diffrent online than off many people use it as a chance/realase to behave how they really want too rather than what society tells them they should do Yes, I see your point. But what is the reason for acting so impudently? You are not helping anyone by stumping your chest and yelling around every corner that you are the Prophet of Truth. I can not understand this kind of mentality.
TBH the count is over 9000!!! |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 21:30:00 -
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Ner'Zul wrote:
The few topics that emerged during this week were heavily disputed upon by an author and other people, and mostly a suggestion or complaint was met with disagreement. Of course, some replies may have been too harsh, but usually they were constructive and provided valid counter-arguments, providing good criticism of an OP. And what did those authors do? They refused to accept the criticism and started to insult, threaten, and enforce their opinion on people who disagreed.
This behavior is what I mock and ridicule in real life without mercy or remose.
Pontification begets sarcasm, but not mockery.
Pontification from a know-it-all stance where your opinion is absolute and no one else is allowed to argue? This is what I look for to have the most fun on these forums.
People who can't take criticism or dissenting opinions get so ANGRY when you call em on their BS in a manner appropriate to their level of arrogance/idiocy multiplied by your level of apathy. The Goons and TEST have a spreadsheet on the equation I'm hinting at. Something about arrogance +QQ minus facts multiplied by carebear whine quotient and some other stuff tells you how bad people who pull this need to be trolled hard. oh and i think there's a sub-equation on Isk risked Vs. ISK lost niche protecction whines as well. I need to ask my buddy in the CFC to tell me how that works again. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:18:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ner'Zul wrote:
The few topics that emerged during this week were heavily disputed upon by an author and other people, and mostly a suggestion or complaint was met with disagreement. Of course, some replies may have been too harsh, but usually they were constructive and provided valid counter-arguments, providing good criticism of an OP. And what did those authors do? They refused to accept the criticism and started to insult, threaten, and enforce their opinion on people who disagreed.
This behavior is what I mock and ridicule in real life without mercy or remose. Pontification begets sarcasm, but not mockery. Pontification from a know-it-all stance where your opinion is absolute and no one else is allowed to argue? This is what I look for to have the most fun on these forums. People who can't take criticism or dissenting opinions get so ANGRY when you call em on their BS in a manner appropriate to their level of arrogance/idiocy multiplied by your level of apathy. The Goons and TEST have a spreadsheet on the equation I'm hinting at. Something about arrogance +QQ minus facts multiplied by carebear whine quotient and some other stuff tells you how bad people who pull this need to be trolled hard. oh and i think there's a sub-equation on Isk risked Vs. ISK lost niche protecction whines as well. I need to ask my buddy in the CFC to tell me how that works again.
I'm intrigued now. Could you post the entire equation here when you recall it?
I don't usually resort to trolling when seeing this type of behavior, but when a person is too ignorant to see beyond his or her ego, I can't refrain from giving them a cake filled with valid, in my opinion, counter-arguments and with sarcastic icing on top. However, once again, such thread can push the envelope too far, and when I see an author going into his/her personal life in an attempt to prove that the OP's oh-so-true argument is the most important one, I don't really want to post anything else there. What I honestly can't comprehend is why these people put themselves into the line of fire. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:25:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:
I'm intrigued now. Could you post the entire equation here when you recall it?
I don't usually resort to trolling when seeing this type of behavior, but when a person is too ignorant to see beyond his or her ego, I can't refrain from giving them a cake filled with valid, in my opinion, counter-arguments and with sarcastic icing on top. However, once again, such thread can push the envelope too far, and when I see an author going into his/her personal life in an attempt to prove that the OP's oh-so-true argument is the most important one, I don't really want to post anything else there. What I honestly can't comprehend is why these people put themselves into the line of fire.
the end result is the equation mathematically confirms that someone is too stupid/asinine to be allowed to live further. Most people don't need the equation to determine this. |
Telcontar Dunedain
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
328
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:26:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Several recent threads have caused me to become concerned with the fact that some people do not want or cannot accept criticism from follow beta testers.
The few topics that emerged during this week were heavily disputed upon by an author and other people, and mostly a suggestion or complaint was met with disagreement. Of course, some replies may have been too harsh, but usually they were constructive and provided valid counter-arguments, providing good criticism of an OP. And what did those authors do? They refused to accept the criticism and started to insult, threaten, and enforce their opinion on people who disagreed.
What saddens me here is the fact that there are people here who follow the mindset of Robespierre; they believe their opinion is paramount and is universal truth. At least, instead of killing those who don't agree, these authors call the people with opposing ideas kids/noobs/idiots/insert your insult here. This is not how life works, however. You are not always going to be agreed with! People need to learn and accept it, for the sake of this community. You only have the right to state your case and try to convince other people to agree with you, instead of accusing them of being inferior to you and your "truthful" opinion.
However, I am glad to see that there are only few such Maximillans, and others try to persuade them to abandon such harmful mindset.
TL;DR: I urge you to read the entire post so my points become clearer But, anyway, here it is: Some people do not want to accept criticism they meet when posting threads. Instead of forming supportive arguments and trying to debate in a civil way, they resort to insults and accusations. It is necessary for them to learn to tolerate criticism and react appropriately to it.
Protip -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctimonious
You are really just a different flavor of troll. Possibly even sadder if you believe your own nonsense.
GetBetterGäó |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:27:00 -
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We have EVE players now. It will only get worse.
Welcome to New Eden. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:28:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:We have EVE players now. It will only get worse.
Welcome to New Eden.
Whaddya mean, NOW? We've been here the whole time! |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:36:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:We have EVE players now. It will only get worse.
Welcome to New Eden. Whaddya mean, NOW? We've been here the whole time! Now EVE players just jump in the chats.
Watch the chats. It is worse now. It isn't through getting worse.
It is just the way EVE players are.
It isn't like I expected good treatment from you, BS. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:41:00 -
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Oh, jesus. the first thing good corps tell new players in EVE is Don't talk in Local unless you're scamming people. |
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:48:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Several recent threads have caused me to become concerned with the fact that some people do not want or cannot accept criticism from follow beta testers.
The few topics that emerged during this week were heavily disputed upon by an author and other people, and mostly a suggestion or complaint was met with disagreement. Of course, some replies may have been too harsh, but usually they were constructive and provided valid counter-arguments, providing good criticism of an OP. And what did those authors do? They refused to accept the criticism and started to insult, threaten, and enforce their opinion on people who disagreed.
What saddens me here is the fact that there are people here who follow the mindset of Robespierre; they believe their opinion is paramount and is universal truth. At least, instead of killing those who don't agree, these authors call the people with opposing ideas kids/noobs/idiots/insert your insult here. This is not how life works, however. You are not always going to be agreed with! People need to learn and accept it, for the sake of this community. You only have the right to state your case and try to convince other people to agree with you, instead of accusing them of being inferior to you and your "truthful" opinion.
However, I am glad to see that there are only few such Maximillans, and others try to persuade them to abandon such harmful mindset.
TL;DR: I urge you to read the entire post so my points become clearer But, anyway, here it is: Some people do not want to accept criticism they meet when posting threads. Instead of forming supportive arguments and trying to debate in a civil way, they resort to insults and accusations. It is necessary for them to learn to tolerate criticism and react appropriately to it. Protip - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SanctimoniousYou are really just a different flavor of troll. Possibly even sadder if you believe your own nonsense. GetBetterGäó
I'm believe that this may not be right. I never intended to really troll anybody, and it was not in my desire to show that I am "holier" than everyone else. I apologize if it accidentally sounded like it, never meant to say so. And I'd be glad if you could pinpoint my "nonsense", so I could understand my mistakes, if there are any. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:
I'm intrigued now. Could you post the entire equation here when you recall it?
I don't usually resort to trolling when seeing this type of behavior, but when a person is too ignorant to see beyond his or her ego, I can't refrain from giving them a cake filled with valid, in my opinion, counter-arguments and with sarcastic icing on top. However, once again, such thread can push the envelope too far, and when I see an author going into his/her personal life in an attempt to prove that the OP's oh-so-true argument is the most important one, I don't really want to post anything else there. What I honestly can't comprehend is why these people put themselves into the line of fire.
the end result is the equation mathematically confirms that someone is too stupid/asinine to be allowed to live further. Most people don't need the equation to determine this.
It's just that I have a mathematical interest to see all components of the equation. The possibility of using calculations to extract emotional result seems very interesting to me, that's all. I don't really have a practical necessity to know it, but still, if you don't mind, please do post it. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:52:00 -
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Don't bother dude. protip. Someone will always make you sound bad, no matter what you do. everything that you say will **** someone off.
When you stop caring if they like you the fun factor is quite a bit higher. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 22:57:00 -
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True, so true. But I am for constructive comments here, remember?
P.S. And it's not like I actually care, it's just interesting to listen what exactly is "nonsensical". |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:00:00 -
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it usually appears incoherent. also my favorite one is the people who use disconnected rational strings of thought to prove a point that none of them lead to. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:16:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:it usually appears incoherent. also my favorite one is the people who use disconnected rational strings of thought to prove a point that none of them lead to.
+1 Love them too, although some get too weird. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:40:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:You are not always going to be agreed with
People don't always need to agree with me. It doesn't bother me that they are wrong. |
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