DUST Search - About snipers

Fivetimes Infinity wrote:

Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:

First off... Ballistics added? Really? You do realize that the round from sniper rifles are, as per the description, traveling at over 8000m/sec, or 5.44 miles per second. At the ranges they are used at, there won't be any noticeable travel time or ballistic drop.

It's fluff description. If CCP were so inclined they could either rewrite the fiction for sniper rifles, or they could simply add in something that's the equivalent of ballistics, albeit designed to be more congruent with the rifle description. Also, it's 2500m/sec not 8000. The bottom line, though, is that the design of the rifle being constrained by the flavour text some CCP writer-type-person crafted for this particular gun is pretty ludicrous.

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Second... I hate using the sniper rifle, it's not really my play style, but in New Eden there's a saying... "Adapt or die".

"Adapt or die" does not mean that CCP has no imperative to fix things that are clearly not designed well. It shouldn't be used as a smoke screen and excuse for apathy. There is a problem with sniping. I'm advocating changes to that end. Sayings from EVE don't factor into it.

Vaerana Myshtana wrote:

I keep seeing people say that it's a hitscan weapon, but I'm not sure if there is an official source for that. Realistically, the numbers do come out suggesting that a very, VERY fast projectile would feel that way even if there is travel time. I mean, the travel time at 1km is somewhere between 1 and 2 tenths of a second.

Heck, I have to lead moving targets just because it takes me longer than that to hit the button.

I would very much love to hear from the devs about the mechanics involved in their implementation. That might clear up some confusion for all us.

There really isn't any confusion. Go find a turret at your max range (you'll know it's max range because the dot will have just turned red when the target is within range) and pull the trigger. You'll instantly do damage.

But anyway, as I said to the other guy, the fluff is just fluff. Sniper rifles with ballistic considerations have worked very well in other FPS games with very wide, open areas to them. Planetside 1, Planetside 2, both games benefit from such an implementation of sniping.

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Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 168	Posted - 2013.01.31 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote First off... Ballistics added? Really? You do realize that the round from sniper rifles are, as per the description, traveling at over 8000m/sec, or 5.44 miles per second. At the ranges they are used at, there won't be any noticeable travel time or ballistic drop. Second... I hate using the sniper rifle, it's not really my play style, but in New Eden there's a saying... "Adapt or die". In my last match I got pinned down by sniper fire. After dying for my third time, I spawned at another location in militia sniper. I proceeded to counter snipe the crap out of the guy(s) that had me pinned earlier. I'm sure 7 of my 10 kills that match were due to me counter sniping. I actually found it a relaxing battle finessing the dot over the tiny group of pixels that made up the heads of the snipers before pulling the trigger.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 168	Posted - 2013.01.31 21:56:00 - [2] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: First off... Ballistics added? Really? You do realize that the round from sniper rifles are, as per the description, traveling at over 8000m/sec, or 5.44 miles per second. At the ranges they are used at, there won't be any noticeable travel time or ballistic drop. It's fluff description. If CCP were so inclined they could either rewrite the fiction for sniper rifles, or they could simply add in something that's the equivalent of ballistics, albeit designed to be more congruent with the rifle description. Also, it's 2500m/sec not 8000. The bottom line, though, is that the design of the rifle being constrained by the flavour text some CCP writer-type-person crafted for this particular gun is pretty ludicrous. Quote: Second... I hate using the sniper rifle, it's not really my play style, but in New Eden there's a saying... "Adapt or die". "Adapt or die" does not mean that CCP has no imperative to fix things that are clearly not designed well. It shouldn't be used as a smoke screen and excuse for apathy. There is a problem with sniping. I'm advocating changes to that end. Sayings from EVE don't factor into it. Vaerana Myshtana wrote: I keep seeing people say that it's a hitscan weapon, but I'm not sure if there is an official source for that. Realistically, the numbers do come out suggesting that a very, VERY fast projectile would feel that way even if there is travel time. I mean, the travel time at 1km is somewhere between 1 and 2 tenths of a second. Heck, I have to lead moving targets just because it takes me longer than that to hit the button. I would very much love to hear from the devs about the mechanics involved in their implementation. That might clear up some confusion for all us. There really isn't any confusion. Go find a turret at your max range (you'll know it's max range because the dot will have just turned red when the target is within range) and pull the trigger. You'll instantly do damage. But anyway, as I said to the other guy, the fluff is just fluff. Sniper rifles with ballistic considerations have worked very well in other FPS games with very wide, open areas to them. Planetside 1, Planetside 2, both games benefit from such an implementation of sniping. @ 5X Inf: Ok. So they changed the text... Or did they? I don't know, I haven't looked, but that's still 1.7 miles per second and, at the ranges we get to use them, there still won't be much, if any, noticeable ballistic shift in travel time or flechette drop. Regardless, the numbers they give in descriptions should be the numbers you work with if you're going to apply physics arguments to the sniper rifle. Otherwise you might as well say that the muzzle velocities listed for RL ammo is just fluff too. Another thing to consider if you want to apply physics arguments, Flechettes have a flatter more stable flight trajectory and better penetration than bullets or balls. And "Adapt or die." is still the best advice for New Eden whether you think it applies or not. You seem to keep forgetting that this isn't other FPS games such as the two you mentioned. You want ballistic considerations like those games, then there's an easy solution. Go play those games. I'm not saying you'll never get what you're asking for. Just wipe away the carebear tears. These "sniper's suck" topics get just about as ridiculous as those made by players QQing over the impending friendly fire implementation. And think of it. I'm defending snipers even though I hate the annoying grunts because I'm not afraid to adapt and play counter sniper on occasion.