DUST Search - Need advice

Octavian Vetiver wrote:

Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 wrote:

Seriously guys, if you are going to tell someone that being a lone wolf is not the ideal way to play this game, then can you at least not be freaking kittens about it?

To the OP; being a lone wolf does work if you are good enough at what you do, and contrary to popular belief, getting a ton of kills in a match does contribute to your team's efforts, even if you are doing so without getting much assistance. All of those people that contributed to a lone wolf's KDR could have helped their team out by hacking key objectives, defending their assets, and so forth. But they can't, because they got killed by some hotshot blueberry that apparently does not know how to use teamwork. Does that sound familiar to anyone, anyone at all?

Putting it simply, even lone wolves can help a team achieve victory, they just need to be damn good at it. :)

"Activates Prototype Level Flame Shield"

Ok, in that situation yes. But, that's someone who is already experienced. I know for certain I am not that good so I stick with team and squad mates. And definitely it's not going to be a rookie in that situation unless they're one of those above average people. Which I do believe we have some right now. And we'll probably have more when it goes open. Realistically in order to do something like that it takes a person who can move, plan and think tactically at the same time.

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Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:16:00 - [1] - Quote So after whining like a little tooth fairy in local, i decided id come here. I cannot seem to get the concept of teamwork into my head. Everything about "teamwork" sickens me. In what sense can a player rightly call himself good if you get utterly destroyed unless your with your team? I keep trying to figure it out, im great on one on one scenarios, i only use militia fits because all my points have gone into HAVs. I destroy alot of players in standard suits, and have yet to find a match for my tank. Of course yes i know there is definetely a better tank out there, but thats not the point im making. I can do really well but I get **** alot because i just refuse to roll with a bunch of players and allow them to assist me. It just bugs me if, you cant beat someone one on one, in what sense do you belong on the battlefield to begin with? I know im not the number one jesus player, there are those better then me. I know im more then well off. Im pretty good at matching up symbols on the screen on shooting them to death. Its what i do. My question really is, if there is anyone out there that feels the same, how do you cope with allowing yourself to run with a squad without feeling like youre just there for assists? How do you cope with not knowing if it was you that dropped that bad giy or if your team mates are carrying you? It confuses the ** outta me. TL;DR: clearly you dont care enough.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 966	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:20:00 - [2] - Quote Confirming I don't care. What was this thread about again?
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:22:00 - [3] - Quote The game is meant to be played at least semi realistically. That means using teamwork in order to fulfill the objective whatever it happens to be. If people could just randomly take out dozens or more enemy soldiers by themselves then we wouldn't need armies or anything. A country could just hire a few hundred people and be fine. Same with tanks, a tank by itself in real life is asking to be blown up.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:23:00 - [4] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Confirming I don't care. What was this thread about again? From what I gather, the game isn't like Call of Battlefield 12 where he can just rambo everything and be the hero just like everyone else.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 173	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:28:00 - [5] - Quote Hai its you again. Just find some other rambos n you can all squad up and rambo that shizz on ur own. Gonna work fo sho.
Nicol Bolas Planeswalker Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote Bump for great QQ.
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:44:00 - [7] - Quote Lol only one person gave semi useful advice everyone else ran their mouths, cute. No, i dont wish for this game to be like CoD or battlefield. Merely asking how people deal with being assisted and not knowing whether theyre being carried or if theyre being the fulcrum.
Rayan Storm ZionTCD Legacy Rising 358	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:44:00 - [8] - Quote .....and your point is?
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:48:00 - [9] - Quote Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote: Bump for great QQ. Got a tear bucket?
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 173	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:50:00 - [10] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote: Bump for great QQ. Got a tear bucket? Pretty sure our dropsuits run on tears.

Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:52:00 - [11] - Quote Lol gotta love internet tough guys.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:52:00 - [12] - Quote Groza Tragediya wrote: Lol only one person gave semi useful advice everyone else ran their mouths, cute. No, i dont wish for this game to be like CoD or battlefield. Merely asking how people deal with being assisted and not knowing whether theyre being carried or if theyre being the fulcrum. Ok, to put it simply. If you're worried about KDR on here. Then you're barking up the wrong tree. That tank you have cost isk. It cost isk to fit it also. If that tank blows up you've just lost isk that you have to make back. This is not the sort of game where you randomly pick whatever setup and weapons you want and then just go unless you're using militia starter stuff. In which case if you try to do CoD or BF style ramboing you'll only get hammered repeatedly. What matters in isk efficiency and whether or not you can afford to keep up on high priced equipment and gear. Or whether you have to cut back due to costs and losses.
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.01.15 03:56:00 - [13] - Quote Its not KDR i have an issue with, its the mentality people have. Its ok to run your mouth when you win even though it wasnt you it was your team. I dont understand how people live with that fact in their head. Its odd to me, they must be american.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:02:00 - [14] - Quote Groza Tragediya wrote: Its not KDR i have an issue with, its the mentality people have. Its ok to run your mouth when you win even though it wasnt you it was your team. I dont understand how people live with that fact in their head. Its odd to me, they must be american. Actually you're way wrong on that. Most everyone on here that has either played EVE or have been in the beta for a good long while understand the concept of teamwork. If someone is running their mouth about how great they were because they managed to somehow magically make the team win on their own then they're deluded, trying to cap and hold points or even take out a whole team in ambush themselves for a win just isn't happening. Whatever country a person is from has nothing to do with how they act. It's based on how they were raised. If their parents were total toolbags then 9 times out of 10 they're going to be total toolbags no matter the country.
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:03:00 - [15] - Quote Seriously guys, if you are going to tell someone that being a lone wolf is not the ideal way to play this game, then can you at least not be freaking kittens about it? To the OP; being a lone wolf does work if you are good enough at what you do, and contrary to popular belief, getting a ton of kills in a match does contribute to your team's efforts, even if you are doing so without getting much assistance. All of those people that contributed to a lone wolf's KDR could have helped their team out by hacking key objectives, defending their assets, and so forth. But they can't, because they got killed by some hotshot blueberry that apparently does not know how to use teamwork. Does that sound familiar to anyone, anyone at all? Putting it simply, even lone wolves can help a team achieve victory, they just need to be damn good at it. :) "Activates Prototype Level Flame Shield" Edit: My point makes more sense in Ambush, since bring the enemy clone count to zero, essentially getting more kills than they do, allows the lone wolves who are consistently good at killing to be more useful. Skirmish on the other hand is a different, as said lone wolves have to be good at capping and defending assets as well as killing in order to be of use.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:05:00 - [16] - Quote From one lone wolf to another the answer to your question is to get over yourself, thats how you run with a squad, they'll steal your kills you'll steal theirs, as for 1v1s, this isn't Ehonour online. And yes its true lone wolves can help the team win, but more often then not you'll help it win better if you watch peoples backs while they do the important stuff like hacking, I personally can't stand having my face buried in a nullcannon console while a shotgun sneaks up behind me, instead i let the blueberry get the hack war points and I shoot the shotgun nubs.
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 72	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:09:00 - [17] - Quote Thank you, you two. Both good points. Thats all i wanted was simple answers. I thank you both. Conversation closed.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:09:00 - [18] - Quote Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 wrote: Seriously guys, if you are going to tell someone that being a lone wolf is not the ideal way to play this game, then can you at least not be freaking kittens about it? To the OP; being a lone wolf does work if you are good enough at what you do, and contrary to popular belief, getting a ton of kills in a match does contribute to your team's efforts, even if you are doing so without getting much assistance. All of those people that contributed to a lone wolf's KDR could have helped their team out by hacking key objectives, defending their assets, and so forth. But they can't, because they got killed by some hotshot blueberry that apparently does not know how to use teamwork. Does that sound familiar to anyone, anyone at all? Putting it simply, even lone wolves can help a team achieve victory, they just need to be damn good at it. :) "Activates Prototype Level Flame Shield" Ok, in that situation yes. But, that's someone who is already experienced. I know for certain I am not that good so I stick with team and squad mates. And definitely it's not going to be a rookie in that situation unless they're one of those above average people. Which I do believe we have some right now. And we'll probably have more when it goes open. Realistically in order to do something like that it takes a person who can move, plan and think tactically at the same time.
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:10:00 - [19] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: From one lone wolf to another the answer to your question is to get over yourself, thats how you run with a squad, they'll steal your kills you'll steal theirs, as for 1v1s, this isn't Ehonour online. What he is trying to say is that if you ever do run with a squad or even try to work with teammates in general, leave the ego at the warbage. When you are trying to be a team player, worrying about someone stealing your kills should be the least of your worries. You'll be much less stressed out that way, trust me. :)
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:13:00 - [20] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 wrote: Seriously guys, if you are going to tell someone that being a lone wolf is not the ideal way to play this game, then can you at least not be freaking kittens about it? To the OP; being a lone wolf does work if you are good enough at what you do, and contrary to popular belief, getting a ton of kills in a match does contribute to your team's efforts, even if you are doing so without getting much assistance. All of those people that contributed to a lone wolf's KDR could have helped their team out by hacking key objectives, defending their assets, and so forth. But they can't, because they got killed by some hotshot blueberry that apparently does not know how to use teamwork. Does that sound familiar to anyone, anyone at all? Putting it simply, even lone wolves can help a team achieve victory, they just need to be damn good at it. :) "Activates Prototype Level Flame Shield" Ok, in that situation yes. But, that's someone who is already experienced. I know for certain I am not that good so I stick with team and squad mates. And definitely it's not going to be a rookie in that situation unless they're one of those above average people. Which I do believe we have some right now. And we'll probably have more when it goes open. Realistically in order to do something like that it takes a person who can move, plan and think tactically at the same time. Indeed, for those who try to be lone wolves in this game, but are not that experienced at playing Dust, it would be wise to stick with teammates and such. Joining an established corp also helps out a great deal, as this is coming from personal experience. :)

Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:16:00 - [21] - Quote Beld is one of the good lone wolfs. He's worked on it for quite awhile now. Maken Tosch is another, so is Calamity Jane, Sha and several others. But, they've had time to do trial and error and theory crafting and more trial and error. Which in this game and EVE online is a major piece. People like to say WOW and other games like it have a lot of theory crafting. New Eden takes the cake on that due to the number of variables alone. This doesn't have quite as many variables as EVE yet. But it's only a matter of time before people start hammering out more spreadsheets, PDFs, manuals and tons of thesis on how to get the most out of everything.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.01.15 04:38:00 - [22] - Quote Groza Tragediya wrote: So after whining like a little tooth fairy in local Ah yes I remember you now. Fact is: If you're good, you're good. You can kill. Another Fact Is: Team Players (not the corp) are what win the game, which gives you a bigger share of ISK. Also, who gives 2 ***** about not knowing who killed who.
Khal V'Rani Nephilim Initiative 90	Posted - 2013.01.15 05:12:00 - [23] - Quote When I first started playing I didn't know anyone playing Dust or Eve so I lone wolfed it... Those were some long days. No, I'm not that good but I love playing this game. When I found a couple of people to play with it became a totally different game. It became less about survival and more about winning the match. I don't care about my kdr or whatever but I like seeing a higher than normal (for me) win/loss number next to my name which isn't possible to truely add to on your own without a team to run with. Victory is more important than personal stats. For me anyway...
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.01.15 06:32:00 - [24] - Quote Team Lone Wolf Rambo Tank FTW! Edit* Yep, you can try and solo a tank but they sort of made it so it is not a great idea. It is kind of like getting a job as a bus driver then complaining because you really just hate to give people rides all day long. Maybe try sniping?
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 94	Posted - 2013.01.15 08:27:00 - [25] - Quote i like a bit of lone wolf action my self ...an AR , some trusty nades, a couple remote explosives and an amour rep makes for gd lone hacker/defender fit. But prev posters are right its a different game when you team up
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 107	Posted - 2013.01.15 08:34:00 - [26] - Quote Groza Tragediya wrote: Lol only one person gave semi useful advice everyone else ran their mouths, cute. No, i dont wish for this game to be like CoD or battlefield. Merely asking how people deal with being assisted and not knowing whether theyre being carried or if theyre being the fulcrum. shrug When I'm part of the team, I'm part of the team. I'm more focused on keeping my group of players alive, keeping their armor up to snuff and keeping them (especially the heavies) stocked with ammunition. There are times in life when you're Rambo ... and there are times in life when you're the drone doing what you're assigned to do.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.01.15 08:38:00 - [27] - Quote Basically If you're not in a squad (of your corp) and lone wolfing it, play ambush. I lone wolf in there alot. Because in ambush, your contribution to winning for your team is based on kills/death and not hacking. Once you're playing with your corp (or skirmish) however, it turns into a completely different game based on winning (or at least it should) TL;DR I recommend ambush
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 164	Posted - 2013.01.15 08:52:00 - [28] - Quote If aligning dots and pixels for the reward sound is not enough for you, play in some squads. I like it simple, so I just try to play a tune with the kill sound. Colt concert <3
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2013.01.15 08:53:00 - [29] - Quote DUST incorporates a lot of features of combined arms thought that makes modern infantry tactics the most efficient use of your gameplay. two assaults backed by a heavy and a logi tends to be absolutely horrific as far as ease of wins. If they coordinate well they can appear nigh unstoppable.


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