i say no cos if you remove the range than thay may aswal jump on AR and anyone wth a proto one wld own all cos his range wld out do tham so i say keep all there ranges as is

Snipers shouldn't be snipers? Just saying, in terms of reality those are RAILGUNS and they're under-performing at what real-life snipers can do with Projectile weaponry.

Australian snipers lands an (almost) three kilometer shot with a .50 sniper rifle and you're wanting a railgun sniper rifle to have reduced range..? Just saying, if anything they should just have their "Snap back" shots taken away. No-one likes being hit two-three times in a row because a guy's sniper rifle returns to the last position it had when the shot was made.

Ppl snipe for 3 reasons.

1 they're good at it and will skill it

2 they're losing and getting red lined so jump into militia suit with no skill

3 They suck with other guns and lack CQC skills

are your inplying im a sniper cos im not im a dropship pilot and a havy and on more than one time iv been sav by a sniper who shot the guy that was going to kill me cos i wan haking something so thay do there part

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No.

The solution to redline snipers is countersnipers.

The redline snipers are usually laughably easy for a good sniper to locate and eliminate.

Hey I'm just giving it an idea, others are welcome. But you have to agree there is sniper prob and its something that hasn't really been looked at yet, yes they can shoot far in rl but think of the .50 as a proto sniper rifle and I lol but militia as a 22 with a scope.

Easy solution to a lot of these issues: 50% WP penalty for actions inside the redline. That way randoms can still get some points while being obliterated by organized opposition, but the boosters and redline snipers will have an incentive to stick their necks out.

Easy solution to a lot of these issues: 50% WP penalty for actions inside the redline. That way randoms can still get some points while being obliterated by organized opposition, but the boosters and redline snipers will have an incentive to stick their necks out.

a .22 with scope? you're just full of ideas, arent ya.. so funny.
also, i have picked up the militia variant and almost always i have to put two or more shots on target for a kill, so it's not as easy for me while having my skill points on assault rifles instead. so i guess it makes sense am not as efficient. so, if the sniper class guy isnt better than me with the same rifle, there is obviously a balancing problem to be looked at. what am getting at is: its should be about the operators skills with the rifle. not about nerfing weapons.

Easy solution to a lot of these issues: 50% WP penalty for actions inside the redline. That way randoms can still get some points while being obliterated by organized opposition, but the boosters and redline snipers will have an incentive to stick their necks out.

Not saying only for red line, during the entire game they hide in the back, I can't count how many times I've switched to sniper class to take out the snipers and all my hits show blue shields, shoot the sniper next to him, insta poon shoot the other guy again blue shields, while he continues to kill with militia suit across the map, the point I'm making in this post is if you wanna snipe you should invest the sp in it and not get freebie crap that works fine.

Easy solution to a lot of these issues: 50% WP penalty for actions inside the redline. That way randoms can still get some points while being obliterated by organized opposition, but the boosters and redline snipers will have an incentive to stick their necks out.

Dude all but commander takes 2 shoots nooblet, u'd know this if you had skilled into it at one point. Plus ur a troll anyways, here a bunch of us are trying to find ways to Nerf down militia gear cuz it shouldn't be what it is and kids like you hold us back and troll. I ask you when does an ibis 2 shot a Ritter? Same concept.

Snipers are supposed to hide. Grunts are supposed to keep their heads down. A smart grunt who moves a lot and uses cover to his advantage is very hard to snipe effectively.

It is also worth noting that the aiming and shot reporting system is not perfect. I've had several instances where I was countersniping near the limits of my range and was hitting the terrain/building instead but my shot reporting made it look like I was hitting him.

I remember shooting a guy on top of Manus Peak about 15 times that way until I figured out what was wrong.

I solved this by changing my location. Of course, it might've put me more in his line of sight, but that's the game.

Stop trying to nerf everything that ******* kills you - jesus christ if they nerf Militia gear Open Beta won't even matter because no-one's going to even bother playing this game.

Good lord it's impossible to make you people happy, you never just knowledge that maybe JUST MAYBE it's YOU who are the problem.

Snipers are fine, but can be anoying sometimes, thats wy we always have a sniper with us, as other here mention as a Solutions, and it do work. Sniper vs sniper let The rest of use do The job.

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Bro, I have an awesome kdr, I could care less what I die to, and I don't want this game to die like the rest, as I've stated before its trolls like you that kill games, this is an eve game, eve has survived many years and has been successful because of its mechanics and its skilling system as well as iskvsrisk. What you want is a 0 isk risk and 0 sp need to play....or to just be a troll. This is an idea post, not a ***** whine and troll post. If you have an idea on how to balance the sniper in its tier classes please feel free.

I had a thread a while back about the "snap back". Also, learn the definition of Troll... Your seriously using it in the wrong context... As in, "Oh god, someone disagrees with me, they must be a troll" wrong context.

Bullet drop and travel time is the answer my friend.

Bullet drop and travel time is the answer my friend.

Na ur a troll, I read ur posts in all the other threads and they're either one sentence or less or non-constructive. This one and the last so cap thread comment have been the only decent feedback I've seen from you in awhile.....stop reading eve forums crime and punishment threads lol

Bullet drop and travel time is the answer my friend.

I get tired of explaining the same **** over and over again in all the different threads. If the threads get consolidated, I'll be more than happy to appease your silly standards as to what complements as "constructive reasoning".

Until then, you're just throwing out slanderous non-sense, same as anyone else.

I'd really like to see this in the game, I've just been expecting them to put it in.....doesn't look like the intention atm though, but def would be a good game element.

Will never happen with Hit-scan in effect. There was a great deal of people who opposed hit scan in favor of ballistics but the lag monster doesn't work well with ballistics. It's sort of a "do I want my bullets to hit because that's where I'm aiming" or a "I want my bullets to actually behave like bullets but because my server ping is 120 it will never happen."

BS Zanny.

There is no need for bullet drop. With modern (as in available to-frakkin-day) digital scopes can preform like the ones in Dust. Bullet drop is pre-calculated and already incorporated into the readout. Ya think they might have enough processing power to do it in the future? I strongly suspect so.

What the Kitten is with you and Bullet Drop? It is not a magic fix it button that will make the game More Sleepy Zan Friendly and make him want to play the game again.

If you are so intent on not liking the game the way it is nor playing it then what are you even doing here? It make no sense.

The devs have already mentioned on multiple occasions to change snipers from hit scan to ballistics, at this point I would guess it's not a question of if but when.

Then don't comment at all, make ur own posts :) and ya current lag would f up the ballistics, still would ne nice though to see some more challenges put in, oh and this isn't my own real idea thread its everyones to consolidate how to balance the sniper tiers all in one lil thread.

From what I can remember about many of the previous treads on snipers and dev feedback this is how it will be:

The current sniper rifles(Caldari iirc) will keep targeting the same.

Different racial sniper rifles like the experimental from last build(Amarr iirc) will have ballistics and bullet drop but will have more damage or range.

Not sure that Amarr Sniper Rifles should have bullet drop. They use Laser Technology, after all.

I'd say minmatar should have the bullet drop, lasers effect shield more then armor, hybrids.......well idk, Gallente are known for its in ur face weapons and rails are usually pretty bad damage, but even in ur face say not very long range sniper rifle but extremely high damage.

I don't think Gallente would bother much with a sniper rifle except for Black Ops (can't remember the political party, eagles or something) assassination missions. They'd probably implement some sort of long-range drone capability that would allow them remotely maneuver a drone into place and attack without being subject to risk.

Correct me if I am wrong, but currently, all of the sniper rifles are handheld railguns. Railguns are hybrid turrets, so technically aren't we already using Gallente sniper rifles?

Not sure that Amarr Sniper Rifles should have bullet drop. They use Laser Technology, after all.

If you go to war for you country, are you going to ask the enemy country to nerd their snipers so you don't die?

Correct me if I am wrong, but currently, all of the sniper rifles are handheld railguns. Railguns are hybrid turrets, so technically aren't we already using Gallente sniper rifles?