The balance is any tank weapon can one-shot a infantry unit (ok, blasters don't one-shot, but they kill infantry fast, so you get my point) but AV units need to get multiple shots on tanks, which have incredibly bad maneuverability to make up for their power and armor.

But your proto blaster tank can literally OHK militia and standard infantry it is so powerful. Your proto railgun can OHK infantry with blast-damage. And your proto missile launcher can OHK with blast-damage as well.

But proto AV gear can't OHK any kind of tank, militia or otherwise, so I think you HAV drivers have the better side of things.

You could shoot the guy with the AV grenades...or just drive away from his range.

AV grenades are not as powerful as people are claiming. It takes quite a few from a Nanohive or Supply Depot to take down a good tank. Even a Militia tank takes more than one troop can hold.

Also there is good balance with AV grenades in distance thrown and DMG done when choosing grenades.

A smart group uses Flux grenades first and then AV grenades against a tank. This is especially important with a good tank.

Right now though we do not have much more than Militia vehicles and people with low grade equipment. Of course grenades seem more powerful again.

Zitro you should know that tanks need infantry support and without it one can easily solo a tank due to its lack of speed/maneuverability. This is the same in real life you rarely see tanks just going in somewhere and get the job done on their own. Not to say it can't but, with decent comms and a little situational awareness a man can easily solo a solo driver with ease. This is all but the same universally through out the game world and reality.

I don't know how it is now since I can't use AVs yet but, before the reset I remember many times I would get a direct hit on a tank with AV nades and not even scratch their shields. This happened to me many of times I just chalked it up to good module load outs.

Just so I'm clear Mr zitro who only a short while told us all to upgrade our gear or quit QQ'ing when we're fairly Rofl stomped is complaining that AV grenades popped his militia tank? Maybe try not calling in the tank on the smallest ambush map we have, I've seen you do it. Because the general answer to your problem is if the tank had proper infantry support those nades would have never gotten close enough.

This is quickly becoming a "classic" thread, so I will try to put this down before it is buried under thousands of argument comments between the AV people and the HAV pilots.

You can't be asking for balance before anyone has gotten to standard tanks yet, the AV grenade is a standard piece of equipment, and the tanks in use currently are militia, so it is hardly a comparison. A standard locus grenade can OHK militia heavies, so you should be so lucky that three standard AV grenades will only severely damage your militia tank.

It just might be due to the fact that harndeners and resistances for armor seem to be just straight broke right now. It seems everything that does bonus damage to armor works but anything that helps armor resilience doesnt. It would really help to know if the core function of the items we use are actually working before we make tweaks.

Why in the hell are you parking somewhere, where your infantry support is nowhere near you?

You deserve someone sneaking up behind you like a scout who throws down 3 proxy detos and then throwing an av nade to lite them off.

I was not attacking you and never stated that you wanted tanks to be a win button, was just stating that you have been here long enough to know that. Yet your comment was lacking the facts and I posted them.

The problem right now is the lack of comms between tankers and their teams and, I mean the whole team not just your squad. If teams could come together in chat a least a little(yes I know some do not have UVTs but, I feel that they should get one. Just my opinion on a different topic) the out comes would be very different for these extremely pricey assets.

Yes that is the problem with ambush but this is the situation you put yourself in when bringing a tank into one. On a spawn someone starts off with a serious ambush on you tank. I think the issue there is with spawning not with the balance.

You personally take everything that responds to you as a attack, true a lot of people do given the way you responded to my post I can see why. I personally have no issue but, don't appreciate the way you came back and attacked me when there was not any offense on my side.

I don't need any post from others saying that this is the way they are thanks.

You have a good point; however to be fair, you should still have infantry guarding your flanks and some good gunners (IMO, I think it's best to have a small blaster on the front with a small railgun on top)

This just gave me an idea- how about an active module that drastically decreases the damage of all turrets, but increases movement speed/acceleration and shield/armor resistance by a ton? More or less a mechanism for an emergency retreat.

ALM1GHTY says tanks are OP and says ccp doesn't listen. Here you're saying they are UP and ccp doesn't listen. I have thought that tanks are weak for the cost. And vehicles on the whole are under utilized ATM.

But when two leet players disagree on the same subject and both want ccp to listen to them, who should ccp listen to?

I think ccp is doing a good job of balancing the game and sifting through all the QQ.

Have you tried throwing a fuel injector in the high slot perhaps, we were rolling Soma's before the end of last reset and other than the obvious need for a better than militia armor repper, a fuel injector was the only other active mod that substantially increased our effectiveness. Our rule of thumb became never stop moving if you can possibly help it.

How about me telling you as an AV that the most difficult tanks to kill are the ones that surround themselves with infantry? and are constantly on the move enough that I don't have to pop shoot die respawn repeat before you have a chance to repair.

By moving around you add minutes to a soloist av trying to kill you.

IF TANKS GET A BUFF MY ASSAULT SUIT NEEDS A BUFF IN EITHER STRAFE SPEED OR HEALTH.

I hope you where not the idiot I remote demo'ed yesterday....

I like the way you beg boy.

This is why I said I think some of you issue is with spawns not so much with the balance. Balance still yes but the spawns are still an issue.

Civility is obviously beyond you.

You want an AV grenade nerf???? The person with an AV grenade has to try and escape infantry and be out of the view of a tank with 2 gunners. Then he has to throw grenades and be standing in a nanohive to reload and throw some more.

Most tanks drive off after the 2nd grenade and you can't chase it into the spawn. Plus, the tank kills you more times than not.

Wait...is this a troll or a serious thread asking for av grenades to be nerfed??

If you're stupid enough to bring an HAV into a tiny ambush, you deserve to have it blown up. I thought you were talking about skirmish where vehicles actually make sense to use.

Sounds like you get spawn naded quite a bit. So how about they fix the the spawns then see how effective they are because they wont be right on you all the time. I know who you run with and there is no reason some one should be able to get that close to your tank unless they deserved to be there.

I know that now but you didn't state that till like a couple post ago, or at least I didn't catch it till then. I agree with Ydubbs though right now tanks just don't belong in ambush do to the faults of the game type. Just in the same way the dropships are all but pointless given the faults of the game right now.

1500 isn't **** to a standard tank with decent mods, but you are running militia, and like I said, you can't complain about balance without matching standard against standard. Go get a Gunnlogi/Madrugar with decent mods(basically no militia mods), get hit by three AV grenades, die, then come back to talk balance.
But I'm thinking you won't die.

So much crying.

I've seen several battles where imperfect guys go 20+ - o driving tanks.

Try and solo a good tanker, lik sir Meode from SI or Laz from the bunnies, good luck with that.

Come on guys, you sure cry a lot for being "the best" in the game.

Post your fit.

LOL.

IMO the tanks are very well balanced indeed. You can't really expect a tank to solo in and own everything like they did roughly 2-3 months ago.

As I've already stated, I se plenty of tankers go 20+ - o.

If you're not up to the challenge or can't get some of your "best in the world" crew to support you then the fault is obvioulsy at your end no?

I bet even half a Protoman could give ample inantry support and mow down all the AV guys that the tank can't get to.

I am talking balance, stop your crying and get better/smarter.

No need to be impolite.

I still only hear QQ.

Just like the thread you (or someone else from your corp) made about the tac ARs, claiming they are useless. When the fact of the matter is that they too are very nicely balanced. Just because someone looses their "I win" button doesn't mean that they aren't balanced.

But what do I know, I'we only driven a tank once, I got it handed to me at the end of the last build. I went 21-1 that round, only dying because of my complete scrubbiness as a driver. Sure, I got swarms, AV nades and even forges thrown at me. A little driving and I'm back to full health a minue later.

If a totally useless scrub like me can do that against, lets say, mediocre ressisrance, then whats there to complain about? And I too would like to see the specs for your tank. I also want to challenge you to solo either sir Meode or Laz's tanks and get it on tape. Show me how easy it is to solo a decent tank. (After NDA is lifted.)

I don't think its fair to expect that much from the HAVs 2-3 days after a new build. Level it up for a month and try again. The tank will get a lot better, the AV nades will stay the same.

Funny how its the guy I've mostly seen on the outskirts with a Codewish that does the QQ, not the experienced good tankers...

You ignored my comment, so I reposted, and I thought the whole "You ignored most of the comment and focused on what you thought was insulting to you" part fit in well after what you just said to Barbar.

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Lol here is the rules of Zitro! Anything you can do I can do better I can spec anything better than you! Tank 1v1 I could lose only to caeli or slap other than that there is no competition. Codewish on the edge of the map you go the wrong kid, you should get some facts or at least do your homework

CCP should stop tuning this game to for people who get pub stomped and start tuning it for the hardcore players who are going to be mainly fighting in FW

Lol EU server is trash all the competition is on NA so accept the facts, your half decent players are **** on NA and your good players are average. This is the law of the land, I can't say anything about meode but slap is a smart tanker no lie but I can take him 1v1( it's a 50-50) but if I spec the same thing as I would be better same goes for half the player base :) so take some lessons and when you can put a decent fight then talk

Still avoiding the issue, so ansver me straight, could you solo any of the two mentioned tankers with basic AV gear? and I'm especially looking at swarms and Av nades.

And after you guys have kept stating that the NA servers is much more competitive than the EU I've been playing alone on them late at night to find out. (Its now 0600 local time) I've been playing all night and I have done that many times during my extensive 4 week off period around Xmas.

Tell you what, I don't notice any difference, people are just as ********. I might have performed slightly worse from time to time, as is to be expected when playing alone, and in a game with players from the other side of the globe being dominant.

Get some facts on the table to back up your claim. All I hear is "We are America, we are best in the world!"

The chest thumping is strong with this one!

Zitro, you know I'm gonna repost my stuff if you refuse to answer it, right? Answer, or if you ignore it, you are admitting I am right.

I was hoping to get a response from Zitro, but ok, I'll bite.

Haven't met a standard that can beat your SIca? I haven't met any standards, period. That's because people like you refuse to admit standards are spec-worthy, which goes against everything you Imps are always talking about, which is a gap between better tiers of gear.
I don't use tanks. I'm not fitting anything on my standard tank because I don't have one. Before you go off saying "oh, well then you can't say sh*t about tanks if you don't use them" I'm going to say IT IS COMMON SENSE. I listed it before, I can list it again: more mod slots, more CPU, more PG, more base health, etc. etc. need I say more?
Just because you don't like me doesn't allow you to deny reality. A fully decked standard will out-perform Zitro's "Soma with all proto mods" which I still call bullsh*t on.

EDIT: Zitro made a comment while I was writing this, so I'll allow that his tank exists, but I stand by the rest.

I think this is supposed to be based on the type of damage the AV nades do, which I believe is kinetic which is the same for swarms. There is no love for armor right now, it takes more skill to use and there is nothing but draw backs for it.

Say hi? I would rather say Bye. You're a terrible tank driver.