i hate when people can't properly quote in threads. It completely ruins the thread.

BTW militia forge guns have to go.

Yes I can solo with basic av and I'm not saying all Americans are better dipshit, I'm saying we have more competition on the NA. What are good EU corps? SI and WTF... Only 2 while NA has IMPS, SyN, PFB( all better than the the EU) STB, Trition, Zion and some other decent corps but can't remember names. The facts are that NA have more competition than any other server. The reason I can chest thump is I can prove I'm better that simple, so take your notebook out and take notes class is in session

Let this be a response to both Caeli and Zitro, because you two basically said the same thing.

You are talking about the small amount of SP we currently have? That's weird, it seems like you wouldn't be able to skill up into ALL proto mods by now, either. OH WAIT! You just admitted you were lying about that, Zitro, so why should I take anything you say verbatim anymore?
Let me say it again, since you didn't get it before Caeli: You can't deny reality because you don't like me. Let me spell this out for you....
Since Zitro said armor tanks, I will use Somas and Madrugars as an example.

Soma
Base Shield=690
Base Armor=2230
210 CPU
2540 PG
2 high power slots
4 low power slots

Madrugar
Base Shield=900
Base Armor=2900
210 CPU
2690 PG
2 high power slots
5 low power slots

I can't expect you to figure this out on your own, so that's 880 more combined health points already. But if you had half a brain, even you would have figured out to skill up Field Mechanics to 5 by now.
So with that maxed out it is actually 1047 more combined points, 837 of that being armor. The best 60mm plates will only get you 780 armor, so the Madrugar starts the game 1-0. But what If I equip two 60mm plates you ask. well if you wanted to do that, you would be a complete moron seeing as how you would be so slow you wouldn't be able to get away from those AV grenade spammers that this whole thread was SUPPOSED to be about, same goes for 120mm plates and 180mm. (but maybe that's why you were complaining about them, because you were stupid enough to use multiple armor plates on your tank, but I digress)
The difference in PG is 150, but once again, if you had half a brain you would still know to max out Combat Engineering. So then the difference is 187 PG. This PG is incredibly useful for that 5th low slot, on which you can equip armor plates, resistance mods, armor hardeners, or anything that might give you a significant advantage over militia tanks. But I have proto and you have no more than advanced, you are saying now.
First, my Madrugar has a natural armor boost of more than the best 60mm plate, which I can still use because it only requires level 2 Armor Upgrades. I am currently doing better than you. You equip the best resistance plate, guess what, it only takes level 3 Armor Adaptation to get that, I can afford it on my Madrugar. So now you equip the best armor repper. The best repper only takes level 3 Armor Repair Systems, I can afford that as well. So your fourth slot is up for grabs. Depending on how you play, that is what you will pick. I would personally go for an armor hardener, so let's look at that, shall we? Oh look! That only takes level 1 Armor Adaptation. I can afford it. So we currently have the same mods and I have a natural boost on your armor and another slot to use. Who's winning? Madrugar goes 999-0
Ok, you are saying, but you forgot turrets. Alright, I can now afford to use a standard, and as Zitro mentioned earlier, he uses an advanced. You got me there buddy, look now it's 999-1.
High slots. Alright, you have the skills to get, what? A shield extender? That won't even make up for my natural 1047 boost over you, let alone put you ahead of me.
Small turrets? Couldn't give less of a damn. You can have that point, 999-2

So yeah, Caeli, you beat the standards you meet, but who's to say they bothered to actually plan out their skills like I did just now? They probably flew by the seat of their pants and skilled into whatever they wanted at the time. You can now officially call yourself the king of tank pubbies, enjoy your title.


But hey, this was a post about AV grenades, right? F*cking trolls.

P.S. Protoman, I'm glad you said that, because I almost forgot to mention, skill plays a factor in this game as well, so there's also a case to be made whether those standard tanks you beat had half a brain themselves, if so, then you can call yourself the king of mentally handicapped tank pubbies, Caeli.

Anything else to tell me, I will gladly tell you to shove it up your a*s, because you can't deny what I said just because you don't like me. Deja vu.

So you want to bo by the numbers

So lets so most people doing well on sp are going to be around 700k sp

to get your standard tank unlocked you have to have spent 380k sp
so 700k- 380k-200k you start out with equals 120k sp left to spend that leaves me short of hybrid turrets which means i have to run militant which only does 89 dps per shot compared to the 115 i can do with a standard scattered blaster. Also you have a extra 4 cpu and 100 pg that the militant blaster requires for fitting. If you choose to put your SP into here you can fit better small turrets but then for go on skills needed to tank better.

gunnlogi CPU 330 PG 1805 Shield HP 2000
sica CPU 310 PG 1805 Shield HP 2600

Oh man you saying I just saved myself 100 PG going

I am going to go with shield tanks because that is what I run but armor is very simular you have a couple options you can buff out your pg cpu skills which is usually needed to fit the better gear. Oh but if you spend your points here you do not have the better gear. You can spend SP into protoing out your shield extenders but oh ya you can not fit them with a militant blaster because it takes up to much PG and well you do not have the PG skills to needed to fit it.

So what does that mean your gunlogi is stuck fitting shield extenders that give 1710 each if you can fit 2 of them with how poor your skills are.
While I can fit extenders that give 2185 per extender plus a blaster that does 33 more damage per shot if you count skills in also

so on my sica I can hit 6370 my sica I use 1 10% mode on and get 6570
on the gunlogi saying a gunlogi gets lucky and can fit 2 1710 extenders he gets 6020 then he is uses 3 10% damage modes which only protect the base hull so he will gain a extra HP because they only give 780 HP for the base 2600 so he has a total of 6800 HP
So that means the gunlogi only has 230 more HP then my sica while I put out almost 28% more damge then he does and he only has 3.5% more health then me.

Looks like Caeli wins again. :)