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semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:47:00 -
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I am not going to call out any corp on this thread but I did see one yesterday that was apparently boosting OBS. So I have some questions. I will explain what happened.
Played a game with a well known corp yesterday that was grouped up. I thought it would end up being a fun game with alot of gun battles but boy was I wrong. After the game starts on the 3 point map I see no red dots...none (i saw them joining but no red dots on the field). I was on the side that is a hop away from A but we took A, C and then B before we even saw our first red dot. We killed the red dots that were attacking but I noticed that I was not seeing any of the corp players......so I thought they must have left which was unfortunate. We kept all points and we kept seeing a few red dots attacking B but not very many.
After we had finally taken down the enemy MCC shields I suddenly see the corp that I thought had left. Well they were apparently still in the game!!.. Man they must have all been afk for a bit I thought. Nope I was definitely wrong......I dont know exactly how but apparently they had been boosting because they had 1.5 orbitals charged up with WPs before they ever participated in the match (I checked they had no kills). They attacked point C and when we went to defend it immediately dropped an orbital. Now no squad had an orbital on our team and this point despite the fact that we were outkilling the enemy and we had all of the objectives. Yet this corp squad already had an orbital and was close enough to another orbital that after only a couple minutes they dropped a second orbital on A.
Now our team still easily won the game but I found it ironic that apparently another way was found to boost for orbitals in the game.
So main question is has anyone else seen this? What are your thoughts on this issue?
If this is not very prevalent then it may end up being a nonissue. However if a bunch of corps start doing this we will end up having the WARRIORS all over again. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:50:00 -
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was wondering the same thing on another lame 5 point map (we need more players) there was a suspicious amount of OB and very few reds.. |
polarzus
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:51:00 -
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How do you imagine to boost the orbital strike? never saw this so far ingame. Would be nice to see if other players shared the same experience. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:51:00 -
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Jumping off of a high building and repairing? |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:53:00 -
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polarzus wrote:How do you imagine to boost the orbital strike? never saw this so far ingame. Would be nice to see if other players shared the same experience.
it was done with squad commands and the old repair mechanic, basically they would damage of vehicle with collision, rep in in the red zone, farm WP |
D'Finn Rhedlyne
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:54:00 -
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Now that you mention it... I have seen a similar scenario also with a well known corp.
I also have a theory as to what is going on. I am going to test it when the servers come back online.
I will update my findings here. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:55:00 -
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If it does exists sounds like the corp doing it is being very tight lipped about it, the only thing i know you can "boost" for sure still is nanohives and my guess they prolly somehow use the rally command to get more points from it but i have never seen squad commission from rally(not sure how you can get commission from simply moving to a spot on the map).
Anyway back to my point if a flood of nanohives are on the field and you start shooting you do indeed get team resupply points, but like rep tool and injectors there is a time delay on it so you cant get it indefintely without some "downtime"
There might be other exploits im overlooking but this is the only thing i can think of that would allow such behavior, i dont think you can get WP/commission on repping vehicles. maybe you can still get rep points from injuring yourself with nades or fall damage and getting repped but not sure. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:56:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Jumping off of a high building and repairing?
Maybe the squad I was in also thought they might be using nano hives and firing their guns to get warpoints. It did take them a while to get the points since we didnt see them for over half of the game but still........ |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:59:00 -
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With the daily cap, boosting to get SP is ridiculous but to get Orbital Strikes and most likely still lose because they were absent from the battlefield a long time... what's the point? |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:59:00 -
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Yea...seems that happened to me as well. Saw almost no red dots on the map at all but there was an orbital or two. But what are you farming? One match and you've hit the SP cap for the day and if you don't get out and fight there's not going to be squat for ISK rewarded. I dunno, whatever. |
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KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
320
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:00:00 -
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So CCP got rid of the repair tool for a whole build, only to not fix the broken mechanic.
/golfclap |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:01:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:If it does exists sounds like the corp doing it is being very tight lipped about it, the only thing i know you can "boost" for sure still is nanohives and my guess they prolly somehow use the rally command to get more points from it but i have never seen squad commission from rally(not sure how you can get commission from simply moving to a spot on the map).
Anyway back to my point if a flood of nanohives are on the field and you start shooting you do indeed get team resupply points, but like rep tool and injectors there is a time delay on it so you cant get it indefintely without some "downtime"
There might be other exploits im overlooking but this is the only thing i can think of that would allow such behavior, i dont think you can get WP/commission on repping vehicles. maybe you can still get rep points from injuring yourself with nades or fall damage and getting repped but not sure.
Right but its also only for that 1 person getting points for assisting someone in reloading. So if 4 people dropped nano and then used ammo and ran through the hives all players would get +12 for each hive and squad leader would get an additinal +5 for each teammate that got +12. I assume this is what happened as it would take a while using this method to get enough WP for 1.5 OBS and they were gone for over half of the game. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:01:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Jumping off of a high building and repairing? Maybe the squad I was in also thought they might be using nano hives and firing their guns to get warpoints. It did take them a while to get the points since we didnt see them for over half of the game but still........
Yea i just mentioned that in the post above yours, the delay is something like 10-30s(not sure of exact downtime) before points can be reaccumulated, but that is to one player, so if all 4 in a squad are laying down hives then they could leach each other by emptying clips and standing in a hive from 1 player, when it gets used up which it will right away another player can then throw down theirs and i think this bypasses the delay.
Of course im speculating but am happy to test this with anyone once server is back up, my ingame main is Gunner Nightingale |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:02:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Jumping off of a high building and repairing? Maybe the squad I was in also thought they might be using nano hives and firing their guns to get warpoints. It did take them a while to get the points since we didnt see them for over half of the game but still........
My theory: everyone gets a logi-suit and a bunch of different nanohives, frago someone, everyone walks through each other with a squad of four this creates about... 68 WP every thirty seconds with four people...I don't know if this is viable... I forget how the frago system works so 68 might be a wrong number. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:02:00 -
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While I agree it is an exploit, if they are doing what they seem to be doing. They're not going to be that much of an issue for people. At worst, they get high on leaderboards thanks to an exploit, which is true for most games anyway. In the meantime, they will have little to no presence in high profile battlefields thanks to being infamously unlikely to win a match. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:03:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:If it does exists sounds like the corp doing it is being very tight lipped about it, the only thing i know you can "boost" for sure still is nanohives and my guess they prolly somehow use the rally command to get more points from it but i have never seen squad commission from rally(not sure how you can get commission from simply moving to a spot on the map).
Anyway back to my point if a flood of nanohives are on the field and you start shooting you do indeed get team resupply points, but like rep tool and injectors there is a time delay on it so you cant get it indefintely without some "downtime"
There might be other exploits im overlooking but this is the only thing i can think of that would allow such behavior, i dont think you can get WP/commission on repping vehicles. maybe you can still get rep points from injuring yourself with nades or fall damage and getting repped but not sure. Right but its also only for that 1 person getting points for assisting someone in reloading. So if 4 people dropped nano and then used ammo and ran through the hives all players would get +12 for each hive and squad leader would get an additinal +5 for each teammate that got +12. I assume this is what happened as it would take a while using this method to get enough WP for 1.5 OBS and they were gone for over half of the game.
dang it you are one step ahead of me, but yes this was my thoughts exactly. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:03:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Yea...seems that happened to me as well. Saw almost no red dots on the map at all but there was an orbital or two. But what are you farming? One match and you've hit the SP cap for the day and if you don't get out and fight there's not going to be squat for ISK rewarded. I dunno, whatever.
Well when they came out the squad leader ended up getting 24 kills in the few minutes they were out. Since there was noone else to fight all the blues were attacking them and he got 8-9 kills with each orbital he called and the squad leader ended the game with 2500 WP and his squadmates also had 1000-1500 each. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:05:00 -
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Well last night my squad and I got 3 orbitals in the same match. However we were doing our bit by killing people and hacking objectives and fragoing as much. My boy went 41-8 and I went 26-0 and the other 2 in our squad got some good kills too.
Overall we had about 80 kills between all of us and thats not including hacking.
80 * 50 = 4000 WPs there itself. More than enough for 2 orbitals.
Was the other corp doing something like this? |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:05:00 -
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But to everyone else's point i have to agree, given the shear length of time it takes to achieve this it is hardly going to make an impact in the game other than allow for some stat padding. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:08:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Well last night my squad and I got 3 orbitals in the same match. However we were doing our bit by killing people and hacking objectives and fragoing as much. My boy went 41-8 and I went 26-0 and the other 2 in our squad got some good kills too.
Overall we had about 80 kills between all of us and thats not including hacking.
80 * 50 = 4000 WPs there itself. More than enough for 2 orbitals.
Was the other corp doing something like this?
No, re-read the OP they were just sitting in their redline for more than half the match to accumulate WP, my guess given a recent post he just made about their endgame results it was to stat pad, but they lost the match. |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:08:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Well last night my squad and I got 3 orbitals in the same match. However we were doing our bit by killing people and hacking objectives and fragoing as much. My boy went 41-8 and I went 26-0 and the other 2 in our squad got some good kills too.
Overall we had about 80 kills between all of us and thats not including hacking.
80 * 50 = 4000 WPs there itself. More than enough for 2 orbitals.
Was the other corp doing something like this?
If you read my first post you would know that they were not doing this. It would have been a good battle if that was the case and I dont have issues with earning orbitals through hardwork. But they were gone for over half of the game and then when they attacked they all had extremely low stats (when I looked only like 1-2 kills and 1-2 deaths before the OBS went down). |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:08:00 -
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Ccp has to deal with this like every other game either stats reset or ban |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:15:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:If you read my first post you would know that they were not doing this. It would have been a good battle if that was the case and I dont have issues with earning orbitals through hardwork. But they were gone for over half of the game and then when they attacked they all had extremely low stats (when I looked only like 1-2 kills and 1-2 deaths before the OBS went down).
What is strange that no one has reported this as a bug! If there is a way to boost by sitting at the red zone as a tester it should be reported. Would it be possible for you to send me an in game mail with the corp that is boosting? Generally from I am perched I can pretty much see all of the maps and all areas of the map. I would be able to find out what they are doing and report it accordingly. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:17:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:If you read my first post you would know that they were not doing this. It would have been a good battle if that was the case and I dont have issues with earning orbitals through hardwork. But they were gone for over half of the game and then when they attacked they all had extremely low stats (when I looked only like 1-2 kills and 1-2 deaths before the OBS went down). What is strange that no one has reported this as a bug! If there is a way to boost by sitting at the red zone as a tester it should be reported. Would it be possible for you to send me an in game mail with the corp that is boosting? Generally from I am perched I can pretty much see all of the maps and all areas of the map. I would be able to find out what they are doing and report it accordingly.
I probably wont be on today I will try to remember to send you a mail with this info tomorrow. |
Milk Supreme
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:42:00 -
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Luckily we have the SP cap amirite? |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:54:00 -
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lemme guess.. the same clan that did nothing but fly in circles for months farming people, then complained about losing all their equipment once they were forced to actually play the game? |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
651
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:02:00 -
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0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:04:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:lemme guess.. the same clan that did nothing but fly in circles for months farming people, then complained about losing all their equipment once they were forced to actually play the game?
As I said I wont give any hints on the forums as to who it is. The only thing you can be sure of is that they werent imperfects as I would not be having this discussion here........ if it was imperfects I would be contacting the Zitros. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:06:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Get off the forums with your logic. Sheesh. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:10:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Awh common! That would mean I get 0 war points everytime when I am actually helping my team spotting and killing peeps. And I am starting to get decent at snipping from the red line.
Excuse the decent snipers from this idea please. |
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KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:13:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Awh common! That would mean I get 0 war points everytime when I am actually helping my team spotting and killing peeps. And I am starting to get decent at snipping from the red line. Excuse the decent snipers from this idea please.
You can sit behind the redline to your heart's content, after you have hit the cap and actually done something useful for your squad/team. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:14:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Awh common! That would mean I get 0 war points everytime when I am actually helping my team spotting and killing peeps. And I am starting to get decent at snipping from the red line. Excuse the decent snipers from this idea please.
Snipers/redline tankers and more are the reasons why you should not gain a single point while hiding behind the redline. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:18:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:You can sit behind the redline to your heart's content, after you have hit the cap and actually done something useful for your squad/team.
I do alright for myself in the red zone. Dont have to worry about those pesky OBS hitting you . And yes if you are running around and you suddenly see you shields and armor drop, thats me . If you are hacking a terminal feeling all safe and you get your head blown off, thats me too. And the best is if you call in a tank and get your head blown off while you are waiting for the drunk Bolas driver to drop down your tank only to be hacked by my squad mates to be used against you, thats me too.
If thats being useless, I love being useless. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:20:00 -
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But what happens when i run up against a team of uber imps and im redlined in the first 3 mins cause you made blueberry pancakes outta my teammates. I mean IDGAF if i go super neg trying to get outta the redline but not everyone is like me and tries to win at the sake of destroying stats.
Now if i get bonus WP for not being a lil b itch then its all good. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:21:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote: Snipers/redline tankers and more are the reasons why you should not gain a single point while hiding behind the redline.
I am hoping and waiting for cloaking mods to come in. Then I will be sniping from the enemy red line |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:23:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote: Snipers/redline tankers and more are the reasons why you should not gain a single point while hiding behind the redline.
I am hoping and waiting for cloaking mods to come in. Then I will be sniping from the enemy red line
You mean dying right? |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
968
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:24:00 -
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It appears as though this form of boosting is only good for stats padding, and that is of dubious value if you can't win matches. If the corp names ever get out it would make the boosted stats meaningless as everyone would just discount them as frauds. If you see someone walk out of a trophy shop having bought themselves a shiny award you just don't think of them the same any more.
On the other hand it does hurt game play to be a squad short, so it should be discouraged. I can't see how this could remain a secret for long and public derision might be enough to discourage most of it. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:24:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Awh common! That would mean I get 0 war points everytime when I am actually helping my team spotting and killing peeps. And I am starting to get decent at snipping from the red line. Excuse the decent snipers from this idea please. Snipers/redline tankers and more are the reasons why you should not gain a single point while hiding behind the redline.
Let's give them 25% normal WP, so completely redlined teams can get a pittance. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:29:00 -
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Gunner Visari wrote:You mean dying right?
I have plenty of experience with FPS and cloaking methodlogy. Played a lot of KZ2 and KZ3. Spent enough time on it know how to effectively use cloaking technology.
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:37:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Smart +1 |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:40:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote: 0 accumulation of WP in the Red Line would solve this issue. Figured they would have already implemented this considering the last time a repair tool was abused.
Smart +1
oh god that's right... so finally i won't see those dammit redline thale's snipers |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:41:00 -
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If you fallto ur death or getnrun over can you get nanite injected? I think that is the fastest way now...run overnwith lav pick up and rep. Just not sure if it is an insta bleedout anyone know? |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:08:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:If you fallto ur death or getnrun over can you get nanite injected? I think that is the fastest way now...run overnwith lav pick up and rep. Just not sure if it is an insta bleedout anyone know?
They woulda had alot of deaths....and this would ruin your KDR and this corp probably would care at least somewhat about their KDR. |
Gunner Visari
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:15:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:You mean dying right? I have plenty of experience with FPS and cloaking methodlogy. Played a lot of KZ2 and KZ3. Spent enough time on it know how to effectively use cloaking technology.
So do i, i just meant that if you are in our redline you will die if you stay there too long, also wouldnt surprise me if you were automatically decloaked when you cross the redline,
Its been a while since i killzoned it up but i think even bots at the base saw through cloak and disguise even at max level. |
charlesnette dalari
Creative Killers
159
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:20:00 -
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KryptixX wrote:So CCP got rid of the repair tool for a whole build, only to not fix the broken mechanic.
/golfclap
obviously the mechanic is fixed since the boosters hit the cap which in reality was the ultimate fix. so yes a clap for ccp is in order since boosters now simply hit the cap faster and dont get an unfair sp advantage and there is a cooldown timer on OB so even that can only be done so many times. ultrimately the boosting is now pointless.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:22:00 -
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or it could be some scrubs who FINALLY found a way to get an Orbital...after so many months of gettin beasted. And now you wanna take that away from them? their crowning moment on this game...
seriously tho, Cyn provided the end all be all fix to all this WP farming BS... 0 WP while in redline... done and DuN
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YourDeadAgain76
Red Star.
133
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:17:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Gunner Visari wrote:If it does exists sounds like the corp doing it is being very tight lipped about it, the only thing i know you can "boost" for sure still is nanohives and my guess they prolly somehow use the rally command to get more points from it but i have never seen squad commission from rally(not sure how you can get commission from simply moving to a spot on the map).
Anyway back to my point if a flood of nanohives are on the field and you start shooting you do indeed get team resupply points, but like rep tool and injectors there is a time delay on it so you cant get it indefintely without some "downtime"
There might be other exploits im overlooking but this is the only thing i can think of that would allow such behavior, i dont think you can get WP/commission on repping vehicles. maybe you can still get rep points from injuring yourself with nades or fall damage and getting repped but not sure. Right but its also only for that 1 person getting points for assisting someone in reloading. So if 4 people dropped nano and then used ammo and ran through the hives all players would get +12 for each hive and squad leader would get an additinal +5 for each teammate that got +12. I assume this is what happened as it would take a while using this method to get enough WP for 1.5 OBS and they were gone for over half of the game.
What about repping CRU's or resupply or turrets in the redline maybe by damaging them with LAVs Not sure if theat does that much damage tho... Or maybe thats what they were doing, maybe the nanohive to i dought it that they would rack up that much Wp for even 1 orby..?? I say Nerf the repair tool its OP. LOL |
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