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BigussDikkuss Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote So the game switches servers and resets our closed beta characters back to their starting point in a few hours. Since this is the last reset (supposedly), my thought is why isn't the open beta simply the actual release of the game? Closed beta players are already going to get a head start on SP and ISK grinding between January 10th and January 22nd, when the open beta is scheduled to begin. Then everyone in the "open beta" will get another head start powering up their characters until the game is "ofically released". Being that the game is free to play in the first place, I just don't get the whole point of an open beta at this point.....
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:13:00 - [2] - Quote work out kinks before advertising begin is my guess
Scoot Medic ZionTCD Legacy Rising 50	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote It would give reviewers the permission to review it as the full game and not Dust 514 (Beta), along with its various problems, it would also mean its released unfinished. CCP aren't really the kind of Devs that like doing that.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:15:00 - [4] - Quote they are reserving the right to say, "oops" and make sweeping changes.
Haseo Tasogare Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:15:00 - [5] - Quote hey, if CCP wants to call it an open beta period let them. as long as they aren't dumb enough to do a stealth reset, I'm fine with them calling it an open beta. after all, would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? not to mention they might be able to use this title to prevent problems such as people saying it should be still in beta...
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 968	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:25:00 - [6] - Quote So we can continue using the "Hey, it's a Beta!" defense a little longer.
LXicon Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote if you dig around the menus and store, there are still some empty sections. it won't an Official Release until those are done. also, if you want matchmaking to work, you'll want a diverse group of skill points. you need groups of people with high SP and groups with low SP.
GLOO GLOO Algintal Core Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:27:00 - [8] - Quote It is the last reset guys !!! So for us beta test players, and only for us, the 10 of January is the release !!!! For others, it will be the Open beta.
Nightbird Aeon Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention 86	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:28:00 - [9] - Quote Load-related issues, market connections, economy balancing / inflation avoidance, merc-created sell and buy orders, more modules, suits and weapons still to be released... Shall I go on?
BigussDikkuss Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.01.09 18:28:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah, I understand the logic behind the ability for CCP to say "You cannot review our game yet, it is still in beta form. If you have any complaints against Dust 514, we must remind you of our 'Work in Prograss' clause." But the fact that there won't be another reset when the game goes from open beta to final release baffles me. This means beta players will get a fairly large advantage when the game is finally released and advertised to the public at large. (Unless of course CCP is forging ahead with the latest build's nerfing of purchased equipment and godlike buffing of all militia gear. ) Now, as a player of this game currently I'm elated; otherwise I might just put off playing the open beta entirely due to the fact that in essence, I would be levelling up my character for "nothing" for the second time and be burnt out on the whole thing when release day eventually comes. But as someone completely ignorant of the closed OR open betas who stumbles upon this game on release day, I would be VERY pissed, and likely to just say, "The hell with that!" And I'm also a bit trepidacious at this point about just how powerful militia gear will ulitmately be and how useless real equipment and skill progression is leaning towards.

DeeJay One BetaMax. 9	Posted - 2013.01.09 19:18:00 - [11] - Quote GLOO GLOO wrote: It is the last reset guys !!! So for us beta test players, and only for us, the 10 of January is the release !!!! For others, it will be the Open beta. Not really the last reset, it's the last planned reset and that's a difference not only in semantics ;) If some game breaking stuff occurs all of our SP can be easily reverted, some stats can reset and so on. Also the mechanics will be tweaked during the open beta, just like there have been changes before, maybe just not so drastic. After the official release usually only cosmetic changes are applied...
Darky Kuzarian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2013.01.09 19:30:00 - [12] - Quote if the AUR and events rewards going to be reimbursed on release then definitily there will another reset on official release
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.09 19:52:00 - [13] - Quote BigussDikkuss wrote: But as someone completely ignorant of the closed OR open betas who stumbles upon this game on release day, I would be VERY pissed, and likely to just say, "The hell with that!" And I'm also a bit trepidacious at this point about just how powerful militia gear will ulitmately be and how useless real equipment and skill progression is leaning towards. Eve Online runs into people like that on a daily basis. They come in, they get confused, and get out. Nothing out of the ordinary about that in New Eden. And please keep in mind that Eve Online is not really finished at all. If you ever read or played about the game, capsuleers still have the infamous 'door' that never opens in their captains quarters. http://katahu.deviantart.com/art/The-Infamous-door-283891386?q=gallery%3Akatahu%2F31808928&qo=9 That door was suppose to lead capsuleers to other places like corporate board rooms, market places, etc. back in 2011. But no, we got stuck in a garage-sized room. And that's not the extent of it. There have been tons of flying-in-space issues that haven't been resolved before Retribution arrived just late last year. UI issues, ship tier imbalances, crime watch loopholes, bounty hunting problems, broken war declaration mechanics, faction warfare imbalances, etc.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.09 19:54:00 - [14] - Quote Darky Kuzarian wrote: if the AUR and events rewards going to be reimbursed on release then definitily there will another reset on official release No. The AUR and event rewards will only be released this one final time and that is when we finish the move to TQ tomorrow. The Devs said there will not be any more resets after this. After this, spend your AUR and rewards wisely for you will never see them again after you spend them.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:45:00 - [15] - Quote yea - open beta may as well be official release. There will not be more people after this - it's the opener to the rest of the world.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:48:00 - [16] - Quote If things go terribly wrong there will be another reset only as a last resort, but if not I consider it release.
Fallen Wraith Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:50:00 - [17] - Quote so no more resets?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:05:00 - [18] - Quote No More Resets. Rejoice!~
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:17:00 - [19] - Quote Open beta is more like stressing a server in big numbers. That has been done in many open betas. Close beta is more like limited in numbers of players. Open beta is like unlimited numbers.
DrunkardBastards Inebriated Liberation Front 23	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:20:00 - [20] - Quote I just don't understand why they always gotta do this crap on my day off.

Raxsus1 Doomheim 42	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:25:00 - [21] - Quote Its probably never going to leave open beta. Kinda like how EVE is still a beta, or at least called a beta. Remember that we're doing something thats never been done before and this whole thing is a test to see if this system will work.
XXkimosXX Doomheim 0	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:26:00 - [22] - Quote I hate to keep on repeating what other people say. So this is my understanding: The "Last" reset is tomorrow. Will there be a reset for the actual game release? It is an open beta, not the actual release. Will most/all the game be available? I have only been playing a week or so, I imagin there is a lot more to the game than two modes.
XXfootnoteXX ZionTCD Legacy Rising 76	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:28:00 - [23] - Quote Raxsus1 wrote: Its probably never going to leave open beta. Kinda like how EVE is still a beta, or at least called a beta. Remember that we're doing something thats never been done before and this whole thing is a test to see if this system will work. Eve is? Didn't know that. I love how they have an update every 6 months or so, I am hoping dust follows suit with them doing that.
Agnoeo Jedi Knights. 35	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:29:00 - [24] - Quote DrunkardBastards wrote: I just don't understand why they always gotta do this crap on my day off. Secretly CCP monitors your work schedule and is plotting against you...I would get my tin foil caps ready if I was you.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:34:00 - [25] - Quote There is not any kind of "advantage" between "Open Beta players" and players that get the game after the "Official Release" because is an "Open Beta". Anyone can play the game. If you don't want to play it now, ok, it's your decission
Mikel Dracionas L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 14	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:51:00 - [26] - Quote i am pretty sure that there will be at least one more wipe at official release
Integral Zan IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 46	Posted - 2013.01.09 21:53:00 - [27] - Quote Mikel Dracionas wrote: i am pretty sure that there will be at least one more wipe at official release nope
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.01.09 22:24:00 - [28] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: Load-related issues, market connections, economy balancing / inflation avoidance, merc-created sell and buy orders, more modules, suits and weapons still to be released... Shall I go on? Don't forget the artillery cannons!
56 truth Algintal Core Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.01.09 22:55:00 - [29] - Quote General Erick wrote: Nightbird Aeon wrote: Load-related issues, market connections, economy balancing / inflation avoidance, merc-created sell and buy orders, more modules, suits and weapons still to be released... Shall I go on? Don't forget the artillery cannons! not to mention that we still have some animation bugs to fix along with some issues with the dropsuite fitting menu! ^_^
FTwelve BurgezzE.T.F 34	Posted - 2013.01.09 23:55:00 - [30] - Quote This game is still not the finished product, still tons of bugs and they also said that they still plan to release more weapons let alone all the extra new mechanics this new version will bring. There is always something known as teathing problems that may occur when something new is brought out. But hot fixes and such seem to fix them.

fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.01.09 23:57:00 - [31] - Quote Skihids wrote: So we can continue using the "Hey, it's a Beta!" defense a little longer. You got it
Toyboi BetaMax. 17	Posted - 2013.01.10 08:27:00 - [32] - Quote im just happy i wont be reset again. and we the beta testers are few in numbers compared to the influx of new players when the game goes live. we will not make a big difference overall with 10k new players joining the first month.
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.01.10 09:52:00 - [33] - Quote Agnoeo wrote: DrunkardBastards wrote: I just don't understand why they always gotta do this crap on my day off. Secretly CCP monitors your work schedule and is plotting against you...I would get my tin foil caps ready if I was you. That is so not true. We did it. We got together and voted to do it then. It was online and you missed it because we did that just as you were leaving for work. Nice ride by the way. - Them
General Erick Onslaught Inc 24	Posted - 2013.01.11 21:03:00 - [34] - Quote Toyboi wrote: 10k new players joining the first month. I'm recruiting some of my Battlefield buddies
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.11 21:08:00 - [35] - Quote Technically Eve is still in beta.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2013.01.11 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Raxsus1 wrote: Its probably never going to leave open beta. Kinda like how EVE is still a beta, or at least called a beta. Remember that we're doing something thats never been done before and this whole thing is a test to see if this system will work. Eve is? Didn't know that. I love how they have an update every 6 months or so, I am hoping dust follows suit with them doing that. No, EVE is not in beta. It's an analogy that some people use because (much like with Dust) CCP will never be finished with EVE, always improving and expanding it - like 'normal' developers do when their games are in beta.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2013.01.11 21:19:00 - [37] - Quote Well unlike traditional MMOs which when they do their updates its usually class fixes, new mobs, new raid, new places ect ect. Eve goes in, GUTS half the game and replaces it with new crap that sometimes work or doesn't work on the same level most MMOs beta with.
Cade Orion Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.01.11 21:55:00 - [38] - Quote This is still not the final build - no where near it. They are getting closer, but take a look at the bugs that are still out there. CCP still has quite a bit of work to do. I'm glad they are doing it - and taking the time to do it right.
Dremel wp Shadow Company HQ 0	Posted - 2013.01.11 22:13:00 - [39] - Quote Getting corporations situated and RECRUITING is a big part of the 10 - 21 wait. Can you imagine newbs rage-quitting after a few minutes in Dust? Having the player corps in place is a safety net move by CCP to keep players in long enough to get hooked.
Julius Vindice Anonymous Killers Mercenary Corporation 39	Posted - 2013.01.11 23:30:00 - [40] - Quote I hope they get a hook for this game, I can already see day1... Call of duty players rushing each other and us with them thinking it's similar and then getting ate up by geks and heavy machine guns and they may get impatient and blame it on the game



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