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KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.01.06 08:06:00 - [1] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: actually I was thinking the other day that the starter kits should be limited to just the frontline and arguably the triage. by having these two most used suites you are giving something good to both start out with and fall back on while also making players specialize into other classes if that is what they so desire starting out with the standard suites and then deciding to specialize in something else. also handing snipers and swarms (much more advanced when compared to the ars) to any random immortal for free doesn't seem like something 'the armorer' would do if he was looking for a profit as they would not be 'main stream' weapons and therefore more expensive from a business point of view . The triage starter kit is junk. It should be replaced with a militia Logi suit. You learn almost nothing with only one equip slot. IMO it is a waste of time. I switched to Mil Logi immediately and at 725 ISK it was expensive until I figured some of the tactics out. Which isn't very difficult, just daunting initially. Swarms, forges and snipers are all part of the package. As expensive in SP/ISK accessing anything out of your main skill branch is any possible solution for experimenting with something new needs to be encouraged, not limited. Trying to get the ISK to get Logi Drop Suits was a major effort. Now each of my chars normal keeps 3-5M ISK on hand. More than that and I start stocking up for the long haul. That is not information that is understood when you are a noob.
KalOfTheRathi CowTek 168	Posted - 2013.01.07 03:42:00 - [2] - Quote I never said a single 725 ISK suit was expensive because it isn't. What is expensive is requiring 50,000 SP to know whether you even want to play in that park. That is what is expensive. You need two to three levels in a weapon and the appropriate weapon support skills. Without being able to respec SP (and the required ISK) then starter kits are important. Every version you remove reduces the interest to potential new players. Otherwise the New Player is just fodder for you. It makes it easier for you I realize but that isn't my goal. That is your one and only goal and I realize that as you are very clear about that. Let's continue on with a real New Player. They need yet another ~50K SP for a suit class and at least a cool half million to fund it. And at that point they own nothing so they need even more to go get the bits to play with. New Players don't understand what it takes to survive. The first thing I learned is how to make a profit, win or lose, live or die. I needed that half million for the Drop Suit. Now, I need ~400K in SP to get to the next level of that same Suit. It is going to have to wait. And I would like to use an additional Drop Suit as well. Talk about pricey. You don't care about New Players as you would just rather they were constantly behind you. Or oblivious and directly in front of you looking the other way. Easy pickings, Eh? In particular when the SP cap is going to make absolutely certain they can never catch up to you. You starting over means nothing. You already understand the game. The only reason you are starting over is because you have a clear idea of what you want to do this time. And since the wipe will be coming you aren't really gambling anything at all now are you? So stating you are starting over is just spreading Kitty Litter and hoping I won't notice, frankly. It means nothing in the context of a New To Dust 514 Player. You cannot ever be that again. As to Eve, it is a special place filled with special people that I don't know and rarely care to. They are all proud of being murdering backstabbing traitorous thieves that constantly threaten any and all new players. Least someone comes in and murders them. Fine, let it take years to get a mid size freighter with just a hole to vacuum for a toilet. I don't care. I like playing these Mercs. Not many New Players are going to want to suffer the excruciating amount of time it takes to get barely functional that Eve players are so proud of. They want to play, shoot, get shot at (but missed) and all the other things Dust is talking about. All you talk about it preventing the very thing Dust 514 is offering. I disagree with your position. And every position you will ever have that reduces the possibilities for new players to enjoy this game. Which, so far, seems to be every single one of them.

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