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slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:03:00 -
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So maybe CCP should nerf it in the same way the small missle turret was nerfed so all you non vehicle people can see what we have to deal with
Nerf the splash damage and keep direct hits where its at.
Lets just make the mass driver as worthless as a missle turret |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:04:00 -
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slap26 wrote:So maybe CCP should nerf it in the same way the small missle turret was nerfed so all you non vehicle people can see what we have to deal with Nerf the splash damage and keep direct hits where its at. Lets just make the mass driver as worthless as a missle turret
While I don't condone your idea I do agree with your assessment of the MD. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:15:00 -
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I feel like the sudden surge in use of them is what has got you saying that.
I used MDs back in codex, and even though I was learning them back then, they could do some sufficient damage. But I was on the ropes back then. Now, I'm very comfortable with it and just happen to rack up more kills. They just adjusted the ADS and Magazine size according to patchnotes, so they are relatively no different then codex except for mag size. |
Sobriety Denied
Universal Allies Inc.
432
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:20:00 -
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md like my gf is good from far but far from good |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:22:00 -
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slap26 wrote:So maybe CCP should nerf it in the same way the small missle turret was nerfed so all you non vehicle people can see what we have to deal with Nerf the splash damage and keep direct hits where its at. Lets just make the mass driver as worthless as a missle turret
Splash damage too high? Try aiming your weapon while being hit by the assault variant... |
Washlee
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.01.05 00:35:00 -
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Well its a Mass Driver
It shoots grenades and Grenades go BOOM with a cool flashing fiery area effect.
Its like saying Nerf the Health of all tanks down to about 1000 as its cap
No its doesn't work this way.
PS : I've never touched a mass driver , But I've been on the opposite end of the barrel. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2013.01.05 01:24:00 -
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Also, it eats ammo like a pig eats cadavres!
You miss one shot and bang! One thirteenth of your ammo is gone. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2013.01.05 01:31:00 -
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Comparing the rise of the mass driver to the old missile turrets is a little dramatic don't you think? don't get me wrong MD is wicked mean in the right hands (Kaughst comes to mind, though I'm not sure I spelled that right).
I've yet to see any one pull a 30/0, or end games with 75 clones in the bank alone. Alone being the key word here. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.01.05 02:04:00 -
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Washlee wrote:Well its a Mass Driver
It shoots grenades and Grenades go BOOM with a cool flashing fiery area effect.
Its like saying Nerf the Health of all tanks down to about 1000 as its cap
No its doesn't work this way.
PS : I've never touched a mass driver , But I've been on the opposite end of the barrel.
and small missile turrets shoot guess what.... missiles. They go BOOM, but they only have a 2.0 m blast radius with the splash damage only being 130 for the prototype varient. Where the freedom mass driver has a 4.8m blast radius with damage being 138 hp
now explain to me how a vehicle mounted weapon is weaker in terms of blast radius and splash damage then a handheld weapon a scout can use... |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2013.01.05 02:51:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Washlee wrote:Well its a Mass Driver
It shoots grenades and Grenades go BOOM with a cool flashing fiery area effect.
Its like saying Nerf the Health of all tanks down to about 1000 as its cap
No its doesn't work this way.
PS : I've never touched a mass driver , But I've been on the opposite end of the barrel. and small missile turrets shoot guess what.... missiles. They go BOOM, but they only have a 2.0 m blast radius with the splash damage only being 130 for the prototype varient. Where the freedom mass driver has a 4.8m blast radius with damage being 138 hp now explain to me how a vehicle mounted weapon is weaker in terms of blast radius and splash damage then a handheld weapon a scout can use...
Yes I agree with Slap that the missiles should be looked at in some serious way, but I don't think nerfing the MD is the way to go. Though I do think the MD is great now, and I have been using it since E3 so I am not a FOTM guy either. Also a big issue with the MD right now is in decent hands the MD can be great in CQC, the ones who are great though will get you before you get to CQC them.
I also sense a hint of sarcasm, but not sure if that is me or real. |
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howard sanchez
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.01.05 03:06:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:Comparing the rise of the mass driver to the old missile turrets is a little dramatic don't you think? don't get me wrong MD is wicked mean in the right hands (Kaughst comes to mind, though I'm not sure I spelled that right).
I've yet to see any one pull a 30/0, or end games with 75 clones in the bank alone. Alone being the key word here.
+1
This man speaks sense. I struggle for isk. I couldn't operate if not for my logistics equipment.
Why? Because I have no gun game. I tried to use the assault rifles they gave us right out of the clone bay but I don't have the twitchynessez that all you youngsters posess.
I tried my first mass driver in June. Like a HUDster to crack - I was addicted. I have used MD ever since. Zion took me in out of the General Clone Cafeteria and gave me a place to rehab. But I am the Lindsy Lohan of Mass drivers and I remain unrecovered.
My K:Dr remains below .5. But I take heart because I never see other MD addicts racking kills like the AR jocks.
MD doesn't need nerfs. Let CCP show you the data. How effective are mass drivers compared to AR? Not round for round or on this map or that. Straight up. On a per player scale what is the more lethal weapon system.
See, I have only recently been on the receiving end of a few MD rounds. And I know why you are QQing. It's scary! Right? Loud, shaky, smokey, can't see, Mommy! Right?
It's gonna be ok. We are clones now. You'll be back. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.01.05 03:28:00 -
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Yes totally agree with OP, missiles need a buff. Range, damage and splash were all nerfed. That's why there are no dropships and no gunners in tanks.
Splash on missiles need to come up on par with MD rounds, and damage. MDs make quick work of any suit that isn't shield tanked. I use a complex damage mod, got MD prof. at 3 and Weaponry at 5, thats about 30% more damage and ADV & Proto are a nightmare as long as they got shields stacked. The have one too many damage mods and they crumple like a militia.
Depending on the map and the state of blueberries, I can go +20 to 3 or 4 deaths. With a really good squad I go less cause it does do support really well. Can't say how many times I've saved my teammates bacon and have him say thanks.
But yes missiles need looking into, not having to much trouble dying by MDs cause I know my weaknesses and strengths. Also be wary of the laser and MD pair, probably the quickest way to die out side of nades and REs. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2013.01.05 03:29:00 -
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slap26 wrote:So maybe CCP should nerf it in the same way the small missle turret was nerfed so all you non vehicle people can see what we have to deal with Nerf the splash damage and keep direct hits where its at. Lets just make the mass driver as worthless as a missle turret
maybe you should slap yourself 26 times
but yea freaking Rockets need to be increased currently there is no point in having them in the game at all with them flying alll will-nilly whereever they want
if they aren't guided they are rockets'
Rockets fly straight |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:24:00 -
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When Chromosome first came out there was a few more MD's than normal, but now I see very little MD use when I play. Maybe it's a game-mode thing, perhaps they are used significantly more often on Skirmish than Ambush (kind of like snipers). |
Cody Sietz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:30:00 -
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They should make a MD small turret.
Too bad we cant get a refund for small missle levels. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:28:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:They should make a MD small turret.
Too bad we cant get a refund for small missle levels.
like this?
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3357.html |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
968
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:50:00 -
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Exactly like that. Let me mount two of those on my dropship and I'll play support for an objective push. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:09:00 -
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Mass Drivers are functionally anti-infantry, they're designed to kill people.
Best way to deal with a drive operator is wait for them to start reloading or they burned though too much of their tubes. Pop out and drop em.
Overall damage may be too high but so far the general lack of mass driver operators and how most of the ones I've seen don't top their boards further indicates that this complaint is suitably filed under
Scrubs getting pwned. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mass Drivers are functionally anti-infantry, they're designed to kill people.
Best way to deal with a drive operator is wait for them to start reloading or they burned though too much of their tubes. Pop out and drop em.
Overall damage may be too high but so far the general lack of mass driver operators and how most of the ones I've seen don't top their boards further indicates that this complaint is suitably filed under
Scrubs getting pwned.
I feel this way. I haven't met too many MD'ers who top the charts. I frequently win against few - there's also some that usually take me. But considering I'm always in Type-II now and there MD is probably proto - I can accept there pwnage. There just like fighting a heavy really. Do they have a proper price would be my question. May need a raise. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:17:00 -
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If there must be a nerf
Explosion damage based on hit target's signature size. Apply this game wide and give every explosion a 'signature effect' |
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Tbone322
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:17:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mass Drivers are functionally anti-infantry, they're designed to kill people.
Best way to deal with a drive operator is wait for them to start reloading or they burned though too much of their tubes. Pop out and drop em.
Overall damage may be too high but so far the general lack of mass driver operators and how most of the ones I've seen don't top their boards further indicates that this complaint is suitably filed under
Scrubs getting pwned. I feel this way. I haven't met too many MD'ers who top the charts. I frequently win against few - there's also some that usually take me. But considering I'm always in Type-II now and there MD is probably proto - I can accept there pwnage. There just like fighting a heavy really. Do they have a proper price would be my question. May need a raise.
I believe the proto is 80k isk or 70aur |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:20:00 -
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Tbone322 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mass Drivers are functionally anti-infantry, they're designed to kill people.
Best way to deal with a drive operator is wait for them to start reloading or they burned though too much of their tubes. Pop out and drop em.
Overall damage may be too high but so far the general lack of mass driver operators and how most of the ones I've seen don't top their boards further indicates that this complaint is suitably filed under
Scrubs getting pwned. I feel this way. I haven't met too many MD'ers who top the charts. I frequently win against few - there's also some that usually take me. But considering I'm always in Type-II now and there MD is probably proto - I can accept there pwnage. There just like fighting a heavy really. Do they have a proper price would be my question. May need a raise. I believe the proto is 80k isk or 70aur
That may need a raise then in price if they tuned up the ammo. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:21:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mass Drivers are functionally anti-infantry, they're designed to kill people.
Best way to deal with a drive operator is wait for them to start reloading or they burned though too much of their tubes. Pop out and drop em.
Overall damage may be too high but so far the general lack of mass driver operators and how most of the ones I've seen don't top their boards further indicates that this complaint is suitably filed under
Scrubs getting pwned. I feel this way. I haven't met too many MD'ers who top the charts. I frequently win against few - there's also some that usually take me. But considering I'm always in Type-II now and there MD is probably proto - I can accept there pwnage. There just like fighting a heavy really. Do they have a proper price would be my question. May need a raise.
Freedom Mass Driver is the Proto MD that isnt a breach or assault variant
Cost - 80,000 ISK
no I don't think they need a price raise
EDIT:
Cyclone- EXO-5 MD is 70 AUR |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:23:00 -
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80k isn't all that much for an explosive launcher... I'm paying 40k more for a forge proto who can't kill on the levels you can and most tanks laugh at a single one. |
McFurious
BetaMax.
67
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:23:00 -
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Everyone's bitchin about mass drivers lately. I hardly even see them being used in game except by myself and maybe a few other players in a day. Most of those people aren't even that good with it. Oh noes.
Now laser rifles on the other hand... j/k  |
Sev Alcatraz
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
185
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:23:00 -
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IT A ******* GRANADE IT DOES WHAT GRANADES DO! THEY EXPLODE AND KILL YOU...QUIT QQ |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:42:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:IT A ******* GRANADE IT DOES WHAT GRANADES DO! THEY EXPLODE AND KILL YOU...QUIT QQ
Most of you are missing the point of the thread. Its that MD are way more effective then a vehicle mounted turret. Hell can I mount MD's on my tank for the gunners positions? Because, they would be better then the trash small missle turrets I have there now. I'm sure most Dropship pilots would agree. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:41:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:IT A ******* GRANADE IT DOES WHAT GRANADES DO! THEY EXPLODE AND KILL YOU...QUIT QQ Most of you are missing the point of the thread. Its that MD are way more effective then a vehicle mounted turret. Hell can I mount MD's on my tank for the gunners positions? Because, they would be better then the trash small missle turrets I have there now. I'm sure most Dropship pilots would agree.
Finally some one else gets the idea. In my opinion missiles should have their old BLAST RADIUS back and be above the BLAST DAMAGE of mass drivers. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:18:00 -
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Missiles are anti-vehicle and anti-structure you'd be amazed how these weapons destroy such things.
Penetration Warheads are not known for their aoe damage. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2013.01.05 11:03:00 -
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Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.05 11:28:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote: [snip]
Cyclone- EXO-5 MD is 70 AUR
Yes, the EXO-5 can two-shot my militia fit, but the guy on the hill who plays "Dust 514 the point-and-click-adventure" oneshots me - and he doesn't lose 70 AUR every couple of minutes.
I have no issue with MDs. They're actually fun to be shot at by. Suddenly you have switch your behavior and look for completely different kinds of cover (hint: avoid walking down slopes). |
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