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Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2012.12.29 13:52:00 - [1] - Quote Really. It's ok if you suggest some nerf or buff in something with logic. But don't ask for a buff in Heavies Suits to be more powerfull at large distance when they are thinking to be destructive at close range. I mean, I see post of some heavies (that i see in match killing 3/4/5 guys at the same time) asking for a buff on HMG? Really? Or maybe a post to buff laser rifles at close distance. Men, if you want to play at close distance just use a shotgun. Also, you just need 3/4 seconds to take out any shield and even kill the guy (at the right distance). Don't ask for a nerf in laser rifles just because you go straight with any cover from so far away with a Nova Knife. Try to think how can you get closer and take the advantaje. Snipers can kill a Proto Suit with 2/3 shots from so far away of the battlefield, making lose the guy 150 000 ISK+. They practically don't die and they can snipe with a Heavy Suit. A proto sniper rifle just ccost 60 ISK, and they ask for more damage? That's not constructive at all. Asking for a buff or a nerf before think how can I get the advantage in the game will delay the game delopment and at the end, you will shot me with an atomic bomb and i will shot you with a candy and we will make the same damage. Sorry for the english. See you
EGOMAN VIV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.12.29 14:04:00 - [2] - Quote This comment has been edited by a moderator.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2012.12.29 16:17:00 - [3] - Quote EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished.
Breakin Stuff Immobile Infantry 680	Posted - 2012.12.29 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2012.12.29 23:36:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg. I think Heavies need to be cheaper. At least, Proto Suits and some weapons. 250 000+ ISK a Proto Suit? It's just so much to take care in the front of the battlefield (in my opinion)
Goat of Dover Shadow Company HQ 161	Posted - 2012.12.30 00:29:00 - [6] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg. I think Heavies need to be cheaper. At least, Proto Suits and some weapons. 250 000+ ISK a Proto Suit? It's just so much to take care in the front of the battlefield (in my opinion) If you say that 250,000+ is to much then I think there needs to be an adjustment on the logi as well. My advanced suit which does run 2 complex shield mods an EXO 5, standard equipment, adv armor mods and rep mod cost me over 150,000. I dont have the skills to test a proto and probably wont this build but I can be it will be up there.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.12.30 00:36:00 - [7] - Quote Goat of Dover wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg. I think Heavies need to be cheaper. At least, Proto Suits and some weapons. 250 000+ ISK a Proto Suit? It's just so much to take care in the front of the battlefield (in my opinion) If you say that 250,000+ is to much then I think there needs to be an adjustment on the logi as well. My advanced suit which does run 2 complex shield mods an EXO 5, standard equipment, adv armor mods and rep mod cost me over 150,000. I dont have the skills to test a proto and probably wont this build but I can be it will be up there. Heavies are more expensive than logis. Much more expensive
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 91	Posted - 2012.12.30 00:37:00 - [8] - Quote Goat of Dover wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: EGOMAN VIV wrote: This comment has been edited by a moderator. Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg. I think Heavies need to be cheaper. At least, Proto Suits and some weapons. 250 000+ ISK a Proto Suit? It's just so much to take care in the front of the battlefield (in my opinion) If you say that 250,000+ is to much then I think there needs to be an adjustment on the logi as well. My advanced suit which does run 2 complex shield mods an EXO 5, standard equipment, adv armor mods and rep mod cost me over 150,000. I dont have the skills to test a proto and probably wont this build but I can be it will be up there. 250 000 just a Suit, + weapon, +modules 300 000+ easy. I don't see so much logic when a Proto Sniper Rifle just cost 50 000 and have low risk of lose it because you shoot from Neverland. Heavies are always in the front line, at least they "snipe" with a FG. I think ISK gameplay it's kinda hard for them, considering that ISK gameplay for snipers is a joke
Goat of Dover Shadow Company HQ 161	Posted - 2012.12.30 00:45:00 - [9] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Goat of Dover wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: Well, i'm not talking about someone specific. I just said it, because i saw a post about asking for a buff for Heavy Guys, but then i see Example Core or HowDidThatTaste making 30+/3 in a match. But you don't see them running without cover to get die by an AR or an Sniper. They (generally) play cover, they appear from nowhere and they kill 3/4/5 guys in 10 seconds. They play (i think) at close distance with a Heavy (that's logic). So, i think, asking for buff, to get more range, or things like that, it's funny because they want to chance the essence of a character. Snipers want more damage, but i use Proto Suit and they can kill me with 2/3 shots. And then what? I need to cross all the map just to find them and kill them. Ok, they lose how much? 100ISK? Then i must go back to the battlefield, and they kill 5+ guys before i even can find them again. They don't need to worry about ISK, they practically don't die, and kill with 2/3 shots. Is it really necessary ask for more damage? If all the people want to change the things that they don't like, the game won't never will be finished. Your use of logical statements in non accusative fashion offends the troll in me. My only disagreement with you is really cost of armor on heavies. Past that I agree for the most part. No i still think heavies need to be more expensive than assault. Im seeing the difference sharply with each tier advance. And people who think the base damage increase of HMG tiers isnt enough, i think you need to make an evee spreadsheet and calculate DPS potential versus an AR not damage per bullet. HMG craps out rounds a lot faster than AR. When i used the skill 3 hmg, people fell down noticably faster than with level 1 hmg. I think Heavies need to be cheaper. At least, Proto Suits and some weapons. 250 000+ ISK a Proto Suit? It's just so much to take care in the front of the battlefield (in my opinion) If you say that 250,000+ is to much then I think there needs to be an adjustment on the logi as well. My advanced suit which does run 2 complex shield mods an EXO 5, standard equipment, adv armor mods and rep mod cost me over 150,000. I dont have the skills to test a proto and probably wont this build but I can be it will be up there. 250 000 just a Suit, + weapon, +modules 300 000+ easy. I don't see so much logic when a Proto Sniper Rifle just cost 50 000 and have low risk of lose it because you shoot from Neverland. Heavies are always in the front line, at least they "snipe" with a FG. I think ISK gameplay it's kinda hard for them, considering that ISK gameplay for snipers is a joke My apologizes I thought you meant the whole fit not the suit alone. Yes the risk level is nowhere near the same there. I think the try to balance this in survivability, but the scout survivability is increased do to the range the choose to fight from. So in truth that is not as balanced as it should be.


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