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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.12.25 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to see Milita AV aka Forge gun and swarms taken out next build for the first month and also millita turrets. This would mean both AV people and vehicle people would have to skill into there first set of weapons to be able to use them. I personally think it would be a great test to take out all militant AV and turrets. You could see how the game develops while still in beta and see if this effects vehicle game play. Personally If it does not make vehicle game play raise I could see this is a great way to go in the future because. It personally think this would be a great way to test things. I personally think Millitant AV does not belong in the game.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.12.25 22:47:00 - [2] - Quote Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.12.25 22:54:00 - [3] - Quote I support this
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.12.25 23:47:00 - [4] - Quote C'mon, you and I both know that no real vehicle driver uses militia turrets.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.26 00:22:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless Militia swarms are as good as regular swarms, unfortunately.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.26 00:25:00 - [6] - Quote Militia swarms have 1/2 the magazine size and more pg/cpu needed. Worth isk/sp to upgrade to standard in my opinion.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.26 00:27:00 - [7] - Quote posted twice by mistake
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.12.26 03:25:00 - [8] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: C'mon, you and I both know that no real vehicle driver uses militia turrets. Nope, they use more pg/cpu than standard turrets, so there's absolutely no reason to keep militia turrets. I just support this because I hate the militia AV Zerg.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.12.26 03:32:00 - [9] - Quote +1 would be interesting to say the least
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.12.26 03:34:00 - [10] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless say that to the sagaris i took out last night....

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.12.26 04:20:00 - [11] - Quote I would like to see more milita bpos and bpcs, Please milita rifle bpc and mass driver, ty.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.12.26 05:16:00 - [12] - Quote People do use militant turrets all the time. Free LAVs. free turrets on tanks. So yes millitant turrets are used. So if you take out both militant turrets and militant AV(Aka Swarms and Forges) it would keep people from running cheap/free fits in this area. no LAV spam anymore and no militant AV spam. Also this would be a great way to test how the game evolves with out having this access to free AV. See how it effects vehicles. Right now that we are in beta this is the best time to check this out. we got AV and vehicles getting close to balanced. Personally I think free militant AV spam ruins vehicle game play and also hurts balancing mechanics. Same with free LAVs aka via running fits with free militant turrets on them. I think it would be interesting to see how it effects the game play and then if it has a negative effect you have it set up so a hot fix will put the things back into the game.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.12.26 06:31:00 - [13] - Quote I don't think this is a good idea.... the next build is open beta... the militia pieces are there so people can try things out before they invest their precious SP into it. although I would not be opposed to the militia variants having a nerf. this would give players more of a reason to use more than militia loadouts. bpo's however people actually pay for so Im not sure on that one. as it stands now the only reasons people use militia is 1.) BPO You do not have to keep re-buying 2.) why use the std stuff when the militia has the same damage output as the std equip. the only reason i see someone actually using std when they have it unlocked is, they need the extra CPU/PG to make the suit they want EDIT: i say nerf the militia variants but not the BPO( because you spent real money on it) and I have taken a couple of sagaris out with the militia forge gun which at it's current does the same DD and AD as the standard version
Scrubby McScrubscrub Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2012.12.26 06:34:00 - [14] - Quote My honest opinion as a LAV and HAV driver is that this would tilt the game heavily in favor of vehicles. The difference between vehicles and AV is that AV can only kill vehicles (and some players with forge) while vehicles can kill AV or non AV players. So when a vehicle hits the field more investment in that vehicle will guarantee you more kills, whereas spawning in with a proto swarm launcher may be a waste of a swarm launcher if you meet infantry before you meet a vehicle, or if the vehicle kills you be fore you kill it.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.12.26 07:03:00 - [15] - Quote I use militia everything on my tank and can still drop 20 bombs
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.12.26 08:15:00 - [16] - Quote I'd like to see swarms that can't lock on to LAV's but im not holding my breath.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.26 16:13:00 - [17] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless Militia swarms are as good as regular swarms, unfortunately. Milita swarms and forge guns do the exact same damage as the 1st lvl AV weapons and are cheaper, plus they are quite effective for the price and really you dont have to skill up to the proper AV weapons if your really dont want to you can kill things fine with it TBH i do think milita weapons should do slightly less damage than the 1st lvl entry weapons because the 1st lvl entry weapons cost more but also require some SP to be put into it even tho it maybe 12k in SP its a start for those lazy AV ppl who will not skill up to begin with because milita is working very well
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.26 16:25:00 - [18] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless Militia swarms are as good as regular swarms, unfortunately. Milita swarms and forge guns do the exact same damage as the 1st lvl AV weapons and are cheaper, plus they are quite effective for the price and really you dont have to skill up to the proper AV weapons if your really dont want to you can kill things fine with it TBH i do think milita weapons should do slightly less damage than the 1st lvl entry weapons because the 1st lvl entry weapons cost more but also require some SP to be put into it even tho it maybe 12k in SP its a start for those lazy AV ppl who will not skill up to begin with because milita is working very well People complain about tankers blowing up supply depots. MT Forge and MT swarms are the reason behind it. It has been discussed in past how the balance between vehicles and AV is not adequate. SP, ISK and damage considered. Before they tune anything they should do something about Swarms. Being able to aim, shoot from behind cover, D fire and dance around corners. It takes almost 4-5 mil SP to run a decent tank. it takes almost no skills to do 1200+ Damage from MT AV.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.12.27 03:46:00 - [19] - Quote Swarm Launchers should not be prefire-locking. They should behave similarly to AV Grenades and attempt a lock after firing. Or, laser-guided. Pre-fire locking missiles should be an option for vehicles, not infantry.
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.12.27 03:50:00 - [20] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Militia anti-vehicle anything is worthless the forge isnt, ive destroying installations, every LAV ive seen and a few tank with a militia Forge Gun and Swarms



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