DUST Search - SP, how they could fix it PERFECTLY

Tiel Syysch wrote:

Marston EV wrote:

Tiel Syysch wrote:

Telcontar Dunedain wrote:

Cry moar bitches.

CCP needs to give us other **** to do besides grinding SP.

We need territory, gear and prestige to fight for.

You whiners are focused on loserville stuff.

TBH I want my SP to be handled in the first hours of the week so I can get on to **** that matters.

Same here. I want to get my week's worth of SP with minimal effort, not have to grind 200 games a week every week. Not only does not everybody have the time for that, not everyone wants to waste all their time in pubs. We just need for SP grinding to not be the only thing worth doing.

did you not read the post at all??? you can put forth "minimul effort" and still hit your 500k SP cap, its just that instead of the floor being 0 at the end of your deminishing returns, you make 1000SP from every match onward. Its like overtime at work, its not mandatory but its there in case you want to make a little extra.

I read the thread. A floor will still enable players to grind way above everyone else if they no-life it. While it sucks getting less than 1000 SP per match, having that as the floor will lead to people who can play 10+ hours a day getting 200k+ SP more per week than people who don't hit the floor.

I'd just prefer to run all my SP for the day down to zero in a matter of 3-5 games and then move onto other worthwhile things. We just need those things to exist first, though - corp battles, FW, nullsec, PvE. I don't want to pub stomp all day because there's still SP to be had, and that seems like the only way we might be getting SP. If we can get it elsewhere, fine, but I don't want to feel like I have to spend hours every day playing with and against randoms just to progress my character.


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Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:15:00 - [1] - Quote The thing that would make the current system PERFECT in my opinion would be a "minimum SP gain Cap" so let me elaborate on what this means and why it would bring perfect balance to what things are like now. Currently when you hit the SP cap, your SP gains steadily decrease from 10k to 5k, 1k, then 10...... per match. What they need to do is put a floor on the deminshing returns. or in another words they should make it so that you CANT make less then 1k - 2.5k SP per match (if your doing well obviously). The reason this is a good idea is because it would slow down the hardcore players enough so that they can still make an extra 10 - 20k SP a day if they GRIND for it, but theres not way they could possibly make huge leaps ahead of there casual counterparts. Now the idea is simple, but its not perfect. To keep this from becoming an exploit CCP would have to make it so that you have to particapate in battle to some extent in order to get the full 1000-2500 SP, perhaps they could tie it down to how many WP you make in a match but that would be up for them to decide. Another completely seperate idea would be to just give us as many SP as we make WP in a match as a minimum to earn. If i make 3000 WP in a match doesn't that mean i should deserve atleast that many SP??? I mean this idea is less ideal then the last one because it favors hardcore players more but its still a decent idea. ultimately im not sure if CCP will use either of these ideas but really the whole point of them is to make it not seem like a WASTE OF TIME playing this game after you hit the cap...... so any thoughts on this guys??? EDIT: to clarify.... this idea would also give people who are behind a chance to atleast start catching up as well. as things are now, the cap keeps hardcore players from getting too far ahead, but the thing is is that it does nothing to close the gap between players like me who started a month ago with 6 million SP, and players who started a week ago with 1 million SP. Even if they play to their fullest and hit the cap every week afteward, so long as i do the same thing the gap between us is still going to be 5 million. So if the option to grind is there, even if the newbie grinds for an extra 50k a week, that still helps close the gap. (and yes i know i could grind for SP too), but that doesn't mean i neccessarily will. Besides that, 1000 extra SP a match isn't even a big grind, its a slow grind meant to give someone like me the illusion that im not wasting my time.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: i set SP floor cap would be nice; however there would need to be a limit to amount of time can get the base say 1k SP. As you can easily get a good 50k+ Sp if isnt a max amount to get. I know myself and others, we probably hit the cap by friday. So that means you are giving us 4 days at possibly make 1k SP per game. Most of us will probably net anywhere b/t 50-80k a week like that; so in a months time we could have an extra 200-300k SP jsut by a floor cap. I do like the idea; but i think it needs to be set to a certain amount of game then you just hit 0. This ill also help player counts in the long run; as if can grind out that SP there will be a bit more of a reason to long on. Heck, last 2 days, most of the day there have been maybe 6 IMP on at a time b/c we've hit the grind and got bored So yeah, in favor, but needs to have some balance factor to it the whole point of it is to keep us from getting 0 SP per game, it feels like such a waste of time if we make zero per match, and is an extra 200k to 300k a month really that big a deal?? its the difference between having and not have just ONE level 4 or 5 skill, This also fix the problem hardcore players have with the cap. Right now the whole argument for hardcore players have is "well if i play more then a casual player then shouldn't i be better rewarded?" This allows them to give themselves a better reward by grinding it out. so in other words, if they REALLY want the extra SP then they have the ability to WORK for it, as thing are right now, it doesn't matter how hard you work, your still only going to get 10 SP a match.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:30:00 - [3] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: The whole idea of the cap is to keep us from powning noobs.Everyone in this thread knows that the higher you get the less you die.The less you die.The less ISK spent on fits.The more ISK earned.Cap or no cap.You are still making ISK.If you are running proto or type B's then your not making money.Play Type II and increase your profit margin. your missing the point entirely, the whole idea of having an SP floor is to give MORE INCENTIVE to play then just isk, it makes it so that if theres one 80k SP skill you want to get, its possible to grind it out in two days (IF YOU PUT IN THE TIME) i mean..... 80k would be 80 games, and that translates to around ten hours of gameplay....... isk means little in a game where i have over 10million of it at any given time. right now i have over about 150 vk1 suits stocked up for me. Im just trying to give us a way to reward ourselves if we WORK FOR IT, 80k SP isn't going going to break the game for people who dont get it......
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:33:00 - [4] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Cry moar bitches. CCP needs to give us other ** to do besides grinding SP. We need territory, gear and prestige to fight for. You whiners are focused on loserville stuff. TBH I want my SP to be handled in the first hours of the week so I can get on to ** that matters. get off my thread if all your going to do is call us "whiners", i understand that there going to add things like terriitory and gear, but whats the point of adding all that stuff if they haven't perfected the coremechanics of the game yet?? this IS an issue weather you want to think of it as one or not
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:35:00 - [5] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Cry moar bitches. CCP needs to give us other ** to do besides grinding SP. We need territory, gear and prestige to fight for. You whiners are focused on loserville stuff. TBH I want my SP to be handled in the first hours of the week so I can get on to ** that matters. Same here. I want to get my week's worth of SP with minimal effort, not have to grind 200 games a week every week. Not only does not everybody have the time for that, not everyone wants to waste all their time in pubs. We just need for SP grinding to not be the only thing worth doing. did you not read the post at all??? you can put forth "minimul effort" and still hit your 500k SP cap, its just that instead of the floor being 0 at the end of your deminishing returns, you make 1000SP from every match onward. Its like overtime at work, its not mandatory but its there in case you want to make a little extra.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: The way these style of games thrive is by allowing people to grind and play as much as they want to while getting somewhere, even slow progression is better then none, as it is a good player can hit the cap in the first day or 2 after the reset then might as well not play for the rest of the week. ty, atleast someone gets it!
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.25 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Oh look, more tears about the SP system. Get over t you bunch of entitled console children. gtfo my thread if your not going to add anything aside from trolling to it you pc elitist
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.26 01:46:00 - [8] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Marston EV wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Cry moar bitches. CCP needs to give us other ** to do besides grinding SP. We need territory, gear and prestige to fight for. You whiners are focused on loserville stuff. TBH I want my SP to be handled in the first hours of the week so I can get on to ** that matters. Same here. I want to get my week's worth of SP with minimal effort, not have to grind 200 games a week every week. Not only does not everybody have the time for that, not everyone wants to waste all their time in pubs. We just need for SP grinding to not be the only thing worth doing. did you not read the post at all??? you can put forth "minimul effort" and still hit your 500k SP cap, its just that instead of the floor being 0 at the end of your deminishing returns, you make 1000SP from every match onward. Its like overtime at work, its not mandatory but its there in case you want to make a little extra. I read the thread. A floor will still enable players to grind way above everyone else if they no-life it. While it sucks getting less than 1000 SP per match, having that as the floor will lead to people who can play 10+ hours a day getting 200k+ SP more per week than people who don't hit the floor. I'd just prefer to run all my SP for the day down to zero in a matter of 3-5 games and then move onto other worthwhile things. We just need those things to exist first, though - corp battles, FW, nullsec, PvE. I don't want to pub stomp all day because there's still SP to be had, and that seems like the only way we might be getting SP. If we can get it elsewhere, fine, but I don't want to feel like I have to spend hours every day playing with and against randoms just to progress my character. why would they make it so that you dont get SP from land grabs?? its just a corp match, only with a little bit more incentive behind it???