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Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:00:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:To the guys defending the Laser Rifles, stop being ******* assholes, simple as that.
Explain your playstyle, help newer players understand why it isn't actually OP. Is it really that hard?
Ok i dabble in lasers on my assault suits. i run a raven assault suit with shield tank, which is exceedingly vulnerable to lasers.
Lasers suck vs. Armor tank. why? Because its CCPs EVE formula.
Shields are weakest vs. EM and Thermal damage EM being the biggest shield buster in CCPs games. Thermal is number 2. lasers do EM and thermal damage. shields are strongest versus explosive and kinetic damage.
Armor tank is the opposite, weak versus explosive and kinetic, very resistant to EM and thermal. Most guns in EVE do a primary and secondary damage type and i see no reason for that pattern to not hold true to a greater or lesser extent.
Swarms, for example, use explosive. worthless versus shields but turn armor to chutney. railguns and blasters do kinetic/thermal, meaning thet tend to be middle road. decently effective vs both armor and shields in equal measure. bullets do kinetic, do slightly less to shields, do more to armor.
Now that the TL;DR part is over i do well with lasers because I only made the mistake of trying to shoot someone close twice.
If someone can hit you efficiently with either a shotgun or a SMG you are waaaay too close for using a laser and need to swap to your sidearm. because an AR will kill you rather efficiently while the laser will take the full clip and not break shields in close.
Effective usage of the laser requires a distance of NO LESS than 25 meters. any closer and you are hosed. As you aim with the laser, you will burn off 3/4ths of your magazine into a single assault suit. this is normal. the upshot is, as your heat level rises your weapon becomes a searing beam of righteous death. the downside is your own weapon can kill you if it heats up too much.
Do not engage in sniper duels with a laser unless the sniper is aiming at someone else. He outranges you. Heavies are hit or miss. if the heavy is armor tanked, kiss your merry ass goodbye. hes one of the few things rigged to thoroughly kick your ass, so use your SMG.
Dont try to shoot your laser at someone through cover. walls still stop your shots. armor tanked vehicles are your bane. run away. if you are using a laser and a raspberry stands still, light him up and giggle because hes toast. if he runs around on open ground sweep the beam over him a few times and watch him crisp.
Real life note. The USMC bashes into its infantrymens' heads to always find cover. This rule applies to DUST!
Finally, if you are using a laser and a scout suit bursts around a corner in your face, accept the reality that you will be purchasing a new laser, and dropsuit fitting, shortly. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:14:00 -
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Blunt Smkr wrote:I think its kinda op cause of how long u can fire befor it overheats u can just mow people down. Maybe if they made it overheat faster n make the damage build up a little faster to match. so that way u have a better chance to close the distance on the laser cause he has to wait on the cooldown more often.
In my experience, the mowing only happens one target at a time, you REALLY need to reload and cool off between kills unless your friendly neighborhood raspberries are bunched up in groups tight enough that its hard to tell if theyre in formation or humping each other. If your squad is dispersed and you charge right at the laser punk when he fires, you will likely lose one person, then carve open the offender with nova knives. When we say lasers are worthless in close we mean it.
At point blank a laser does less DPS than a militia AR wielded by a moron. I cannot stress this enough. as soon as you see a laser flash get to cover first, then get in close, quickly and the laser wielder will have a very bad day. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.12.24 11:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:They wouldn't be so poweful if people thought twice about running their Type-II/B-Series assault & heavy suits.
Also; going head to head with a laser rifle at close range is like being attacked with a damp sock.
Lies. the damp sock dps needs to be nerfed, since i like lasers more. the sock is clearly OP.
/dumbass off.
On a more serious note folks, CCP does not make a best weapon, or ultimate fit. every single weapon, armor suit and vehicle will have a hard counter in DUST.
The hard counter for lasers are armor plates, mass drivers and shotguns.
The hard counter for tanks are forge guns, swarms, and other tanks.
The counter for heavies are snipers, the counter for assault is a pocket logibro. the counter for heavies is a fast mover.
There is no such thing as an omni-applicable weapon or setup. there will always be someone else optimized to kill your favorite suit, vehicle or fit. there is always a hard counter, and sometimes the counter is creative tactics.
Lasers require creative tactics both to employ effectively and counter.
The standard shooter staple of running around like an idiot bouncing like your ass is spring loaded will not be effective here.
DUST requires both new tactics and a new mindset. because someone is fitting their dropsuits to slaughter your most cherished fits. you will find in dust that if you fit the same way and use the same tactics every time, someone WILL find a way to kill you repeatedly, because you are being lazy. DUST is a dynamic battlefield. the enemy is not limited to mapspawn vehicles and predetermined kits.
That guy may be in a militia suit... But those could well be proto shield extenders, and a non militia swarm. you just got dumbfired. kiss your fit goodbye.
Adapt and be flexible or get your ass steamrolled. ask a goon about what it means to be innovative in tactics and delivery. then shoot that goon in the face, because he'd cheerily do the same for you.
...no seriously. shoot the goon in the face. it is in your best interests. |
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