DUST Search - [request] Recoil Recovery

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Ten-Sidhe wrote:

The ar recoil change is better then before when it was non-existent, but it made me notice the barrel rises and stays there. I hadn't noticed this on other guns as I was firing single shots or at close range where it is less noticeable.

I checked other games to see what was common, Killzone 2,3 Mag, and Borderlands 2 had the barrel return after trigger is released. So, my memory wasn't failing me.

I did google search to see if I could find any numbers. Battlefield 3 seems to have .2 to .55 degrees of muzzle rise with about double for first shot in most cases for assault rifles, recovery is about 1.5 to 2 degrees per second. This works out to one second to recover from 3 to 6 shot burst. The recoil recovery seemed to be down only while recoil had a random amount left or right as well.

I suggest adding a recovery at a rate equal to muzzle rise of standard burst ar per second, only recovering the vertical rise.

If there is no left and right element of recoil, randomly pick a number of left and right offset in .125 degree increments 0-8.875. Randomly determining left and right then adding them gives a simple bell curve and only takes 2 bytes since the variable values are 0-7 for each.

Edit.
The lack of recovery could be adapted to, but since most games have it it will make it easier to pick up for new players

NO.
This is the same stupid bullshit they put into Planetside 2 that effectively penalized anyone with enough experience to control their recoil by aiming down against it while firing. If I emptied the magazine of my LMG I would instantly look down at my feet as soon as I let go of the trigger, no matter how hard I tried to fight it.
There should be no compensation for anyone that can't control their recoil. If you lack this skill, you shouldn't be playing an FPS. Or, more accurately, you shouldn't be playing one other than Halo.

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Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.21 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote The ar recoil change is better then before when it was non-existent, but it made me notice the barrel rises and stays there. I hadn't noticed this on other guns as I was firing single shots or at close range where it is less noticeable. I checked other games to see what was common, Killzone 2,3 Mag, and Borderlands 2 had the barrel return after trigger is released. So, my memory wasn't failing me. I did google search to see if I could find any numbers. Battlefield 3 seems to have .2 to .55 degrees of muzzle rise with about double for first shot in most cases for assault rifles, recovery is about 1.5 to 2 degrees per second. This works out to one second to recover from 3 to 6 shot burst. The recoil recovery seemed to be down only while recoil had a random amount left or right as well. I suggest adding a recovery at a rate equal to muzzle rise of standard burst ar per second, only recovering the vertical rise. If there is no left and right element of recoil, randomly pick a number of left and right offset in .125 degree increments 0-8.875. Randomly determining left and right then adding them gives a simple bell curve and only takes 2 bytes since the variable values are 0-7 for each. Edit. The lack of recovery could be adapted to, but since most games have it it will make it easier to pick up for new players
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.22 02:30:00 - [2] - Quote Ten-Sidhe wrote: The ar recoil change is better then before when it was non-existent, but it made me notice the barrel rises and stays there. I hadn't noticed this on other guns as I was firing single shots or at close range where it is less noticeable. I checked other games to see what was common, Killzone 2,3 Mag, and Borderlands 2 had the barrel return after trigger is released. So, my memory wasn't failing me. I did google search to see if I could find any numbers. Battlefield 3 seems to have .2 to .55 degrees of muzzle rise with about double for first shot in most cases for assault rifles, recovery is about 1.5 to 2 degrees per second. This works out to one second to recover from 3 to 6 shot burst. The recoil recovery seemed to be down only while recoil had a random amount left or right as well. I suggest adding a recovery at a rate equal to muzzle rise of standard burst ar per second, only recovering the vertical rise. If there is no left and right element of recoil, randomly pick a number of left and right offset in .125 degree increments 0-8.875. Randomly determining left and right then adding them gives a simple bell curve and only takes 2 bytes since the variable values are 0-7 for each. Edit. The lack of recovery could be adapted to, but since most games have it it will make it easier to pick up for new players NO. This is the same stupid bullshit they put into Planetside 2 that effectively penalized anyone with enough experience to control their recoil by aiming down against it while firing. If I emptied the magazine of my LMG I would instantly look down at my feet as soon as I let go of the trigger, no matter how hard I tried to fight it. There should be no compensation for anyone that can't control their recoil. If you lack this skill, you shouldn't be playing an FPS. Or, more accurately, you shouldn't be playing one other than Halo.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.22 04:55:00 - [3] - Quote Or battlefield, MAG, Killzone, Borderlands, call of duty(according to google search, I don't play it) that have the recoil recover. A 6 round burst worth of rise in a second of drop, how many clips would it take to point at the ground? In original post I said it could be adapted to, just suggesting it could be easier for new players to adapt if it was more like other fps games. Short bursts are the best way to compensate, even machine guns are meant to fire in bursts. Edit,........ just tested recoil with no skills with new char and frontline. The recoil gets worse with sustained firing, not much muzzle rise then it starts climbing, so it seems even more reason for short bursts. If running and gunning the difference between recovery and no recovery would probably not be noticeable. Firing while scoped at distant targets is where it would show up.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.12.22 08:30:00 - [4] - Quote I pulled up a video of planetside recoil reduction, yea that looks annoying. No wonder Mobius Wyvern was so vehement about not having that here. Refinement of above suggestion to prevent the Planetside issue. 1)Have recoil reduction on/off in options. default should be on since most shooters have it that is what most noobs will expect. 2)Have it only recover from last burst, so if a second burst starts the first burst won't recover at all. Assumption being if firing restarted aim was adjusted before fire resumed. 3)Have a max aim adjust, maybe a second worth as the max. Since burst ar is seven rounds seven rounds would be max for ar. Smg and Hmg would need different numbers. How many rounds does burst hmg fire per burst? 4) have any upward movement stop the adjust, it clearly is not wanted if the player is fighting it. This would not help aim while firing, the downward motion only starts after firing has stopped. To adjust for recoil during fire either aim low and let bullets climb target stopping at head or as Mobius Wyvern said learn to push gun down while firing.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2012.12.22 19:22:00 - [5] - Quote recoil reduction is trash Don't take away more control from players able to correctly compensate.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.22 19:43:00 - [6] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: recoil reduction is trash Don't take away more control from players able to correctly compensate. ^This.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2012.12.22 19:53:00 - [7] - Quote 1) There is not enough recoil in a small burst to make a touch of difference to your aim 2) If you hold down the trigger, your point of aim is going to move up 3) The opposite of up is down 4) If you cannot figure out how to bring your point of aim from up to down, no amount of programming is going to help you, ever.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness Industrials 27	Posted - 2012.12.22 20:07:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Ten-Sidhe wrote: The ar recoil change is better then before when it was non-existent, but it made me notice the barrel rises and stays there. I hadn't noticed this on other guns as I was firing single shots or at close range where it is less noticeable. I checked other games to see what was common, Killzone 2,3 Mag, and Borderlands 2 had the barrel return after trigger is released. So, my memory wasn't failing me. I did google search to see if I could find any numbers. Battlefield 3 seems to have .2 to .55 degrees of muzzle rise with about double for first shot in most cases for assault rifles, recovery is about 1.5 to 2 degrees per second. This works out to one second to recover from 3 to 6 shot burst. The recoil recovery seemed to be down only while recoil had a random amount left or right as well. I suggest adding a recovery at a rate equal to muzzle rise of standard burst ar per second, only recovering the vertical rise. If there is no left and right element of recoil, randomly pick a number of left and right offset in .125 degree increments 0-8.875. Randomly determining left and right then adding them gives a simple bell curve and only takes 2 bytes since the variable values are 0-7 for each. Edit. The lack of recovery could be adapted to, but since most games have it it will make it easier to pick up for new players NO. This is the same stupid bullshit they put into Planetside 2 that effectively penalized anyone with enough experience to control their recoil by aiming down against it while firing. If I emptied the magazine of my LMG I would instantly look down at my feet as soon as I let go of the trigger, no matter how hard I tried to fight it. There should be no compensation for anyone that can't control their recoil. If you lack this skill, you shouldn't be playing an FPS. Or, more accurately, you shouldn't be playing one other than Halo. This^^^ and: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Telcontar Dunedain wrote: recoil reduction is trash Don't take away more control from players able to correctly compensate. ^This. This^^^ And for gods sake, fix recoil for the tactical assault rifle in ADS, needs a major reduction and no recovery assist. As it stands the TAR is unusable
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.01.22 21:57:00 - [9] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: And for gods sake, fix recoil for the tactical assault rifle in ADS, needs a major reduction and no recovery assist. As it stands the TAR is unusable fix recoil recovery or total recoil after each shot or fix rate of fire.


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