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new hulk ZionTCD Legacy Rising 49	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:19:00 - [1] - Quote Whamy ary scouts aloud to have shot guns, and im tired of shooting tgem with a hmg and them not dying .if they lag make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:27:00 - [2] - Quote English? please?
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:28:00 - [3] - Quote aden slayer wrote: English? please? LOL
Anyanka Shadowmane Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:37:00 - [4] - Quote new hulk wrote: Why are scouts allowed to have shotguns? I'm tired of shooting them with a HMG and them not dying. If they lag, make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down Indeed, that doesn't sound right. I occasionally use scout suits with shotguns, usually for hunting down snipers or sneaking forward to position drop links. I've rarely, if ever, beaten a heavy when they've seen me. This may be because I'm not a great shot, but a number of people have been mentioning hit detection recently. What do you perceive being the problem? Are your hits not registering? Are they too fast for you to draw a bead on? Are they sneaking up on you?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote new hulk wrote: Whamy ary scouts aloud to have shot guns, and im tired of shooting tgem with a hmg and them not dying .if they lag make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down removing spelling errors from post: new hulk wrote: scouts aloud to have shot guns, and tired of shooting with a and them not dying .if they lag make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down Removing grammatical errors from post: new hulk wrote: scouts have shot guns. if they lag make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down Removing improper references from post: new hulk wrote: if they lag make it boot them instead of going 40 and 2. Dumb them down Does that help anyone who didn't understand? Also, even if they were "Shot Guns" and not "Shotguns", it's not the weapon that's the problem. It's the fact that you suck at aiming when faced with a fast-moving target, and the fact that sometimes there's lag in multiplayer games. Build a better internet, then we can talk about "fixing the lag" for you.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote wah wah scouts with profile dampeners and shotguns are OP. I need a red dot above their head to know they are enemy. Well thats the impression that ive got from that guy.
Anyanka Shadowmane Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:49:00 - [7] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: wah wah scouts with profile dampeners and shotguns are OP. I need a red dot above their head to know they are enemy. Well thats the impression that ive got from that guy. To be honest, me too. But I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he'd elaborate.
Tzaar Bomba Doomheim 174	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:11:00 - [8] - Quote Anyway, scout and shotgun is a cheap combination. No aiming, moves too quickly, and the range on some is too far. Throws balance off, and gives points for zero effort. Not to mention that most shotty scout users are also snipers. Cowards. Feel it.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1031	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:20:00 - [9] - Quote Tzaar Bomba wrote: Anyway, scout and shotgun is a cheap combination. No aiming, moves too quickly, and the range on some is too far. Throws balance off, and gives points for zero effort. Not to mention that most shotty scout users are also snipers. Cowards. Feel it. I've been running a free and 30k scout/shotgun suits with almost no sp in those skills. I have been running solo and a 3 kdr for most part last few days. Not gonna lie I have jumped into 3 people and killed all of them and had no business doing it. That said normally if people see me coming they kill me dead fast. Also the better players seem to do much better against me while I use a shotgun. You scurbs out there are just terrible and should feel bad about it I still dont know what to make of it but unlike the Nerf AR QQ bitches I'm actually trying to use other things and not hating because other people are really good with a weapon.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:22:00 - [10] - Quote 7/10 for the replies farmed

Scrubby13 Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 9	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:22:00 - [11] - Quote I will agree that scouts are very fast and very hard to hit, trust me I've died more than once from a very fast scout. However I tried it out on a different character (Henry Heavy ironically) and I have found that being an effective shotgun scout can be very difficult as well. It is much easier to get a kill close range but we have to pick our fights VERY carefully, I cant hardly even go against two guys by myself. As a scout you have to play very tactically, constantly flanking and trying to sneak up behind the enemy. Also with the shotgun its nearly impossible to take on people head on, I always have to strafe and circle around behind them. Its hard but it feels very rewarding when you get to shove a nova knife into an unsuspecting target. Note: I've only tried out the scout for a limited amount of time, therefore, I'm fairly unexperienced and might just be a bad scout. That being said, the above is only my first impression.
Tzaar Bomba Doomheim 174	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:32:00 - [12] - Quote Shotguns, 1-2 shot kill. Scout hard to hit. No need for ADS. Cheap kills. Sorry you cant aim better. Just as bad as people running advanced and proto fittings in pub matches. Doesnt make you good, just means your equipment saved your life. Sad.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.21 18:16:00 - [13] - Quote Scouts with Shotguns are ONLY effective if you can get closer than SMG range without the enemy seeing you. Particularlt for Scouts, but really for any Shotgun build, even most AV fittings with Swarm Launchers can kill you with their sidearm if they see you coming. And if not, they can at least slow you down with good grenade placement while getting away and exposing your position for their teammates. Yes, Shotguns CAN kill quickly and easily, but they leave you HIGHLY vulnerable at any kind of remotely non-point-blank range. SMGs can ADS at close range and damage race even the best "long-range" Shotguns in the game (I've done it with a Toxin and SMG Ops at level 2 on one of my alts). And particularly in the hands of a Scout - if someone so much as looks at you funny, you're going to die before you get even remotely close to Shotgun range. If you get in with a Shotgun Scout and kill several people who you "had no business" doing that to, then either you had great luck getting into range while they screwed up by not watching their backs, or you legitimately out-played them at the core skills Shotguns rely on - stealth and positioning. Also, you still have to aim with Shotguns, particularly if you want quick kills against Heavies. Only Scouts and lightly-tanked Assault/Logi fittings are easily one-shotted without having to put SOME measure of effort in.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Legacy Rising 33	Posted - 2012.12.21 19:06:00 - [14] - Quote Yeah people who use shotguns have to be really careful in open areas as it is really hard to get long range shots. Usually the only time I can achieve it is if the other person is just absolutely horrible at the game but it still takes 5 or 6 shots while being dead on.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.21 19:54:00 - [15] - Quote Tzaar Bomba wrote: Anyway, scout and shotgun is a cheap combination. No aiming, moves too quickly, and the range on some is too far. Throws balance off, and gives points for zero effort. Not to mention that most shotty scout users are also snipers. Cowards. Feel it. zero effort my ass. Let me see you go 40/3 in a scout suit.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.12.21 21:15:00 - [16] - Quote Tzaar Bomba wrote: Anyway, scout and shotgun is a cheap combination. No aiming, moves too quickly, and the range on some is too far. Throws balance off, and gives points for zero effort. Not to mention that most shotty scout users are also snipers. Cowards. Feel it. Are you for real? moves maybe 15% faster than assault and has 1/3 of it's HP. You cant kill anything with SG unless ur barrel is touching target's head. No aiming? - with two shells in ur 'clip' with a slow ass rate of fire and a narrow and short cone of damage - how can you play with a SG and not aim? Cowardice? Closing a huge distance to get 10 ft away from your target to finally get in range for your weapon and all that in a paper thin suit is cowardice? This is an absurd comment.


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