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xMarauder
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:36:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Stop running around solo. Since you aren't that good it makes you a free kill. ( no troll just being honest) I do run around solo and mostly kill everyone - until a name corp player comes a long. I don't think my skill has anything to do with the problems though. If it was just a skill issue, every so often I'd be able to trump one of the named players in the better corps - but it doesn't happen. And the reason I notice is our stats thx to your proto suit are very similar - yet your fast as hell with a smaller hitbox. I'm not talking full on game, I'm speaking of 1v1 end game scenarios between players. Heavies blow. in a 1v1 scenario, heavy always comes on top as long as below conditions are not applied.
-against shotgun in close range -against almost anything outside your effective range while inside enemy's -against enemy with cover/height adv while you do not -against anything from behind
best way to get rid of all conditions above is ride in an LAV. That's why I play ambush almost exclusively.
Whenever you get solo'd its probably because of above conditions. I feel like you are exaggerating and to your op.. Hardening mods would be awesome! |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:05:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:xMarauder wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Stop running around solo. Since you aren't that good it makes you a free kill. ( no troll just being honest) I do run around solo and mostly kill everyone - until a name corp player comes a long. I don't think my skill has anything to do with the problems though. If it was just a skill issue, every so often I'd be able to trump one of the named players in the better corps - but it doesn't happen. And the reason I notice is our stats thx to your proto suit are very similar - yet your fast as hell with a smaller hitbox. I'm not talking full on game, I'm speaking of 1v1 end game scenarios between players. Heavies blow. in a 1v1 scenario, heavy always comes on top as long as below conditions are not applied. -against shotgun in close range -against almost anything outside your effective range while inside enemy's -against enemy with cover/height adv while you do not -against anything from behind best way to get rid of all conditions above is ride in an LAV. That's why I play ambush almost exclusively. Whenever you get solo'd its probably because of above conditions. I feel like you are exaggerating and to your op.. Hardening mods would be awesome! I think your ignoring a part of what I'm saying. Otherwise your correct on everything, if any of those conditions are met against any average cherry I would be in trouble. Now how about you put on a heavy suit and go face G-slick, zitro, jesse, or one of the many many proto assault suits with 400-500+ shield and drop me before I can properly set my aimer on there smaller hitbox. I can take out another heavy no problem - as it should be since I'm one of them - but other assaults take them out as easily as I do, then also take me out even though they should only hold 1 advantage over me - speed. Again, I'm saying in 1v1 situations currently assault suits destroy us. You can argue there's plenty of situation where a heavy can beat anyone - and that's true, but that can be said about any weapon, even ****** nova knifes. the situation I'm really talking about is if I come across a proto assault *in the 5 point map* whose in the middle of D and C and I come from C onto him and he notices me as I notice him - he'll more then likely win. His speed will help him get to cover right before shields drop - and since I'm a fatty he can take some time to regen. My hit box will make me easier to hit and my speed will make that even more true. I only have 200-300 more HP then most proto users I see and that's when they put in a damage mod too. The situation was bad enough before AR's got nerfed - now that it's harder to aim, there speed is playing an even greater role to my demise. 200-300more health than 500 shield assault? That's it?
And it's true that good players like those can destroy us heavies but only when above conditions are met especially cover adv.
I will give you this though... Our suits don't match with proto assaults in quality. What I mean is.. Their proto suits help them (assaults) extremely better than proto suits would help us (heavies). That is where the real advantage is in assault. And I know... It's ... Not fair lol |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:14:00 -
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I run a little over 1k health. No dmg mods cuz.. Idk lol. i like more health than more damage i guess. |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:26:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:I've seen assault suits with over 400 shields and 400 armour- they have no trouble getting as much hp as heavies, and they can still maintain faster movement and keep a smaller hitbox. Really? Are you sure? Most Common proto I see is 500+ shield and about 125 armor.
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xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:52:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Heavys do indeed have the largest hitbox, pretty obvious. Ive found that shotguns do the most damage to heavys as well. Saw my buddy in a proto assult get shot by a shot gunner and it hurt his sheilds before the shot gunner died. The same shot gunner came by me and did more damage to my shield than his, and he was using the same weapon the whole game. The shotgun has spread, so they score more hits on us than the other classes, because we have the larger hit box. We are also the slowist class, so it is easier to hit us in general so we are in trouble against the more skilled and crafty players, as this enables them to slow us. They will be able to get out of our HMG range and do what they like, or even worse, get behind us. If your using an assult rifle unlike true heavys, the effective range promblem isent really a promblem for you. For 1v1 you should usally be winning because you should be getting at point blank to the enemy, be it murder taxi or using objects to sheild yourself from fire as you advance. Yes there are some people like G-Slick, Regnum, and the Zitros who can solo a heavy at any range, i have trouble taking them down at point blank as well. For them you need to run gear at their level and dance as well as they do. And iknow, our proto/advanced gear is expensive. So if you want to be on top, be prepared to spend cash and dont be a ****** and charge 5 enemys by yourself. Most of the time your going to die trying to kill them all. a A good heavy will limit himself to 3 people at a time, but even that can be difficult if they are good at the game. So as mentioned above, play ambush. theres alot of 1v1 and 1v2 that heavys can excell in ha, here's the problem with being an AR heavy - since my hitbox is bigger, they can get there aim in faster and shoot first, and when you take damage your screen shakes and moves your aimer making it hard to shoot through the damage to get them. So my only real advantage with health is taken away since I can't just shoot through the pain since I can't aim - or at the very least it's made more difficult. Don't run ar heavy lol. I run ar heavy sometimes but only when I feel like giving the iron sights a spin. (Very rarely) |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:10:00 -
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I understand your reasoning but, you're using a Ranged weapon with a suit that's bad with range...
Speed is the reason. In range, they will have it so much easier to shoot you in a fat suit, than you shooting them while they are bunny hopping in an assault suit.
That's why HMG is in fact better than an AR in a heavy's hands. Heavies are designed imo to be a god in close range. (Except against shotgunners) |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:17:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Stop running around solo. Since you aren't that good it makes you a free kill. ( no troll just being honest) I do run around solo and mostly kill everyone - until a name corp player comes a long. I don't think my skill has anything to do with the problems though. If it was just a skill issue, every so often I'd be able to trump one of the named players in the better corps - but it doesn't happen. And the reason I notice is our stats thx to your proto suit are very similar - yet your fast as hell with a smaller hitbox. I'm not talking full on game, I'm speaking of 1v1 end game scenarios between players. Heavies blow. So you basically said you run around solo and mostly kill noobs. When an imperfect comes along you get destroyed. Your skill has everything to do with why you die. Don't be so... Ass-y.. Jeez lol. |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:52:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Stop running around solo. Since you aren't that good it makes you a free kill. ( no troll just being honest) I do run around solo and mostly kill everyone - until a name corp player comes a long. I don't think my skill has anything to do with the problems though. If it was just a skill issue, every so often I'd be able to trump one of the named players in the better corps - but it doesn't happen. And the reason I notice is our stats thx to your proto suit are very similar - yet your fast as hell with a smaller hitbox. I'm not talking full on game, I'm speaking of 1v1 end game scenarios between players. Heavies blow. So you basically said you run around solo and mostly kill noobs. When an imperfect comes along you get destroyed. Your skill has everything to do with why you die. I can kill any name player of any other class. It's this one specific class that derails me a bit too often. I'm not soloing and running into every group of reds I see. It's not always about being the wolf, sometimes I'm the hawk, just waiting for an opportunity. But I can see why you'd simplify it for the entertainment. Though Logi's with MD have been such a kitten lately xD. And you guys are missing the point. Should an assault be able to beat heavies just because we can't afford to run our protos? Its not we can't "afford". It's that there's no point. 1 extra high slot is worthless. |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 06:03:00 -
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Lucky... I can't find anymore gastuns :(
I NEED MOAR!!!!! |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:38:00 -
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NOOO !!!
Looks like we'll be losing another heavy :(
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xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:00:00 -
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More ehp would be awesome (I am very biased). But I think heavy only hardeners would be cooler. Now if only we had more slots to fit them in.... |
xMarauder
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.22 02:02:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Marauder. Have you gone over 9000?!
You gotta do that in this game. Of course I have!!!!! |
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