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Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:58:00 -
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I would like to know the logic behind this. First of all, the new sights for the Scrambler make aiming ridiculous. Secondly, range has been reduced for no reason. It was never considered a strong weapon, so IGÇÖd like to know why this was done.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:04:00 -
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Actually, there were a surprising number of people "sniping" with them. Not to the point of game-breaking, but a minor range reduciton shouldn't interfere with their most common uses. They still easily outrange SMGs. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Actually, there were a surprising number of people "sniping" with them. Not to the point of game-breaking, but a minor range reduciton shouldn't interfere with their most common uses. They still easily outrange SMGs.
Oh, ok. But the ADS is now useless. Feedback section I guess. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:16:00 -
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The range is still over 60 meters, which is more than enough. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:22:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Actually, there were a surprising number of people "sniping" with them. Not to the point of game-breaking, but a minor range reduciton shouldn't interfere with their most common uses. They still easily outrange SMGs.
yeah- I was "sniping" with sidearm sharpshooter V. If it didn't have a good range at that level, something is severely broken. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:28:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Actually, there were a surprising number of people "sniping" with them. Not to the point of game-breaking, but a minor range reduciton shouldn't interfere with their most common uses. They still easily outrange SMGs. yeah- I was "sniping" with sidearm sharpshooter V. If it didn't have a good range at that level, something is severely broken.
Pretty sure my SMG can't match your pistol for range even if I'm the one with Level 5 Sharpshooter and you have nothing.
They can still hit targets at a pretty good range when skilled up, just not a ridiculous range like they used to.
EDIT: I won't speak about the sights, because I don't use Pistols often enough to judge. I prefer SMG. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:39:00 -
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As a Scrambler Scum myself, I don't oppose the ADS. I feel like they keep me in check, make me get better/balance the gun. However, the distance nerf made me grumpy. At a distance, the pistol barely made a scratch, it was kind of unnecessary, but I will adapt. I get that the people I headshotted from 50 meters got kinda pissed, but really that right there is skill. Looks like I'll have to invest more into Sharpshooter skills. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:45:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:As a Scrambler Scum myself, I don't oppose the ADS. I feel like they keep me in check, make me get better/balance the gun. However, the distance nerf made me grumpy. At a distance, the pistol barely made a scratch, it was kind of unnecessary, but I will adapt. I get that the people I headshotted from 50 meters got kinda pissed, but really that right there is skill. Looks like I'll have to invest more into Sharpshooter skills.
Base range is still above 50m. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
428
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:As a Scrambler Scum myself, I don't oppose the ADS. I feel like they keep me in check, make me get better/balance the gun. However, the distance nerf made me grumpy. At a distance, the pistol barely made a scratch, it was kind of unnecessary, but I will adapt. I get that the people I headshotted from 50 meters got kinda pissed, but really that right there is skill. Looks like I'll have to invest more into Sharpshooter skills. Base range is still above 50m.
I am aware of the 65 range now. But beyond 50m, the pistol was like a paper-cut machine. That's all I meant by it. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Actually, there were a surprising number of people "sniping" with them. Not to the point of game-breaking, but a minor range reduciton shouldn't interfere with their most common uses. They still easily outrange SMGs. yeah- I was "sniping" with sidearm sharpshooter V. If it didn't have a good range at that level, something is severely broken. Pretty sure my SMG can't match your pistol for range even if I'm the one with Level 5 Sharpshooter and you have nothing. They can still hit targets at a pretty good range when skilled up, just not a ridiculous range like they used to. EDIT: I won't speak about the sights, because I don't use Pistols often enough to judge. I prefer SMG.
How is the regular range for ARs "ridiculous range"? |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:02:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:How is the regular range for ARs "ridiculous range"?
Because Pistol range isn't meant to be judged on the same scale as AR range. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:08:00 -
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The whole 15 meters of range that was lost is not going to hurt pistol wielders one bit, I actually like the new ADS quiet a bit all you have to do is set the dome of the skull right over the middle post and most things go down pretty quick. |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
91
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:39:00 -
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i dont like the new ADS with the range nerf i would be happy with one or the other but not both
also i like to think im one of the top five if not top three best scrambler users in Dust |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
391
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:12:00 -
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I'd like the front sights to be a blade instead of a giant block. it still works just fine for me, or it will once i get used to it. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:25:00 -
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The scarmbler pistol was nerfed, because Bonny and Reflex were destroying noobs with it. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:50:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:The scarmbler pistol was nerfed, because Bonny and Reflex were destroying noobs with it.
Or possibly to make way for the scrambler rifle soon. You don't have to be one of them to 2-shot people with scrambler pistols. I've done it many times. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:57:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:The scarmbler pistol was nerfed, because Bonny and Reflex were destroying noobs with it. Or possibly to make way for the scrambler rifle soon. You don't have to be one of them to 2-shot people with scrambler pistols. I've done it many times.
We're not talking about going around simply 2 shoting a few people, Bonny and Reflex were insane with the scrambler. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
317
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:06:00 -
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I played with reflex the day before the patch and he found a fitting that day to 1 shot almost any fitting. By his calculations the hs on this fitting would do 700ish dmg. It was nasty someone would get the drop on him and fall down dead from 1 hs. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:50:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:
I would like to know the logic behind this. First of all, the new sights for the Scrambler make aiming ridiculous. Secondly, range has been reduced for no reason. It was never considered a strong weapon, so IGÇÖd like to know why this was done.
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It was never considered a strong weapon, so IGÇÖd like to know why this was done.
Quote:It was never considered a strong weapon,
I sincerely hope you are joking. While it has not been complained about extensively on the forums, the scrambler pistol was (and generally still is) the best gun in the game. It had an absolutely crazy range (I think it was 90m or so optimal before skills) and after skills could easily hit out to 120-130 or so and still pack a whallop.
Before the nerf, it had the best combination of pinpoint accuracy, high rof, fast reload, range, and base damage of any weapon in the game. After the nerf, it still has the best combination of high rof, fast reload, range, and base damage of any weapon in the game.
Did I mention that it was the best gun in the game? |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
91
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:56:00 -
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not the best weapon in the game just a good one with a little skill and some luck plus it was some thing you had to put skill into to be a real threat on the battlefield with |
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.12.21 06:03:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:
I would like to know the logic behind this. First of all, the new sights for the Scrambler make aiming ridiculous. Secondly, range has been reduced for no reason. It was never considered a strong weapon, so IGÇÖd like to know why this was done.
Haven't used one myself this build but people I run with have been enjoying the new pistol iron sights. Beyond that they can still OHK me while I'm running Meta 1 scout suits and has been used just today to kill I and a squad mate while we were above it in the pipes on Line Harvest. In your opinion what would be optimal ranges for the pistol? (if you wouldn't mind please use an in map example rather than meters just so that the functional context is clear)
Cheers,
Cross
ps ~ to address your specific question, I haven't heard anyone asking for a nerf of the Scrambler Pistol. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
164
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:50:00 -
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I for one love my scrambler Desert Eagle |
Xander Mercy
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
91
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Posted - 2013.01.07 22:32:00 -
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nerf wasnt as bad as i thought it was going to be since i can still drop red dots without useing damage mods on any of my fits |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2013.01.07 22:42:00 -
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Old thread, but I've been using them a lot now with a Scout suit, and I'll say that the range is fine, however, ADS is still lacking. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2013.01.08 01:22:00 -
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They could have at least waited until scrambler rifles were added before they toned down the range- outranging ARs because I have sidearm sharpshooter V was fun. |
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ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.08 05:54:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:
I would like to know the logic behind this. First of all, the new sights for the Scrambler make aiming ridiculous. Secondly, range has been reduced for no reason. It was never considered a strong weapon, so IGÇÖd like to know why this was done.
why you would use a scrambles pistol out side its optomal range blow my mind(well not really cause you can't reach me  )
but really the drop-off tapers off to zero at 65 meters with no sp put into side arm sharp shooter. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:46:00 -
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Its a sidearm and a simple pistol aswell. In other games they are not considered to be used as primary only if you run out of ammo with your primary or self defence when using a AV weapon as primary. They are still very good up close and have by far still more range then any SMG. |
KalOfTheRathi
CowTek
168
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:01:00 -
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As a side arm to the Sniper they were good. The Toxin SMG was significantly better, IMO. With the 80 round clip it got me out of many a tight situation. But the Scrambler was just as effective. It really, again IMO, didn't have enough rounds to make it a main weapon. But a head shot to someone rushing my position worked well enough. Being old school I normally used half the rounds or all of them which made their limited ammo more of an issue.
With Chromosome things are different. I routinely remove SMG for Scamblers. Neither are a vary good Side Arm anymore, for me. Sometimes I equip a Nova Knife if the CPU is overloaded by a few points and I don't want to lose a Low side slot to fix it. |
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