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Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:09:00 -
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Since i saw that people complain and ask for nerf about what they can't afford, i would like to ask for a nerf on laser rifles and mass drivers.
I mean, people ask for a "nerf" on Tactical assault rifles because they go straight with a pistol against someone with a tactical assault rifle.
They didn't think something like "mmm ok, TAR are not so good at close distance so i won't go straight, i will go cover and i will kill him at close distance". No, they go straight to someone or something and that's how they test a weapon.
For people who don't understand: "SARCASM Mode ON"
Ok, i want to say. Laser rifles are too OP, i go with my AR and i can't even shoot him, even with my shotgun, they hit me so far away from me. Lasers have so much range. Please, nerf the range and the damage on the shields.
Mass Drivers are OP too, i go with my sniper rifle running and sniping at the same time and i can't even hit the guy and he kills me with 3 shoots. I want a nerf on the mass driver.
PS: nerf the LAVs too, i go straight in my Scout Suit with my Nova Knife and the LAV just crush me and kills me, that isn't fair, please nerf the LAVs
"SARCASM Mode OFF"
PS2: the matchmaking (if it's exist) looks worst.
PS3: In general i think the new build is better and i like it. I love the game.
Sorry for the english. See you |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:10:00 -
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Get good. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:13:00 -
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Nice way to stack your argument in a sarcastic fashion to support yourself, good stuff. I don't know about laser rifles, but mass drivers have always been on the edge of being too good. Their main issue was just the hit detection and the explosion actually going off.
They aren't that hard to use if you fiddle with them for a bit. With the added ammo, they're so easy, a caveman could use them. Mass drivers are also the direct counter to any kind of scout that isn't tucked far away in the hills. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:15:00 -
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I thought this was sarcastic trolling but then he wrote..... sorry for the engrish....
HTFU |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:16:00 -
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SATORI CORUSCANTi
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
253
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:19:00 -
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Tact rifles were way OP last build, what are you talking about? |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:22:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:I thought this was sarcastic trolling but then he wrote..... sorry for the engrish....
HTFU
Of course it's sarcasm. "Sorry for the english" is because i talk spanish. Just that.
My point is simple. Just stop asking for a nerf on everything. What's next? Shotguns are too OP, it kills me with 2 shoots when it close to me like 1 mts? The game can be played by 2 years old kids, but if you see that TAR have large range don't ask for a nerf, just think about how can you fight against that.
Sorry for the english. See you |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:23:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Since i saw that people complain and ask for nerf about what they can't afford, i would like to ask for a nerf on laser rifles and mass drivers.
I mean, people ask for a "nerf" on Tactical assault rifles because they go straight with a pistol against someone with a tactical assault rifle.
They didn't think something like "mmm ok, TAR are not so good at close distance so i won't go straight, i will go cover and i will kill him at close distance". No, they go straight to someone or something and that's how they test a weapon.
Ok, i want to say. Laser rifles are too OP, i go with my AR and i can't even shoot him, even with my shotgun, they hit me so far away from me. Lasers have so much range. Please, nerf the range and the damage on the shields.
Mass Drivers are OP too, i go with my sniper rifle running and sniping at the same time and i can't even hit the guy and he kills me with 3 shoots. I want a nerf on the mass driver.
PS: nerf the LAVs too, i go straight in my Scout Suit with my Nova Knife and the LAV just crush me and kills me, that isn't fair, please nerf the LAVs
PS2: the matchmaking (if it's exist) looks worst.
PS3: In general i think the new build is better and i like it. I love the game.
Sorry for the english. See you
The trick here is just to learn how to combat them. For example, laser rifles are highly dependant on them constantly firing, if you're out in the open and being shot at, the damage build up will kill you very quickly, so you need to 'duck' in and out of cover so they don't have high damage.
Another trick with lasers is just to go at close range, they aren't good for CQC and an assault rifle will easily kill a laser gunner.
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:24:00 -
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hrrrmm +1 you got me sir |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2012.12.20 07:28:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Since i saw that people complain and ask for nerf about what they can't afford, i would like to ask for a nerf on laser rifles and mass drivers.
I mean, people ask for a "nerf" on Tactical assault rifles because they go straight with a pistol against someone with a tactical assault rifle.
They didn't think something like "mmm ok, TAR are not so good at close distance so i won't go straight, i will go cover and i will kill him at close distance". No, they go straight to someone or something and that's how they test a weapon.
Ok, i want to say. Laser rifles are too OP, i go with my AR and i can't even shoot him, even with my shotgun, they hit me so far away from me. Lasers have so much range. Please, nerf the range and the damage on the shields.
Mass Drivers are OP too, i go with my sniper rifle running and sniping at the same time and i can't even hit the guy and he kills me with 3 shoots. I want a nerf on the mass driver.
PS: nerf the LAVs too, i go straight in my Scout Suit with my Nova Knife and the LAV just crush me and kills me, that isn't fair, please nerf the LAVs
PS2: the matchmaking (if it's exist) looks worst.
PS3: In general i think the new build is better and i like it. I love the game.
Sorry for the english. See you The trick here is just to learn how to combat them. For example, laser rifles are highly dependant on them constantly firing, if you're out in the open and being shot at, the damage build up will kill you very quickly, so you need to 'duck' in and out of cover so they don't have high damage. Another trick with lasers is just to go at close range, they aren't good for CQC and an assault rifle will easily kill a laser gunner.
Yes, i know, i was just sarcastic to show my point. Thanks, maybe someone doesn't know that way to fight against large range weapons |
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G-SLicK
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:30:00 -
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Im gonna use every OP weapon until they un-nerf the F****** ARs. #1. people don't know how to play their class, you cant hop in a heavy suit and expect to own every 1v1 thats just not happing. AR were where they needed to be they have been fine for like 5 builds now but all of a sudden people start b******* about them. #2. Every weapon had their special role now its all turned to **** |
Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:37:00 -
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When you can hit, and kill someone easily from every range zone with one weapon that is easier to use then every other weapon something is wrong.
AR's were not, and still are not, difficult to use. They were capable of absolutely destroying anything at extreme ranges in Large Maps and at all ranges in Small Maps. They were the Jack of all trades weapon yet the didn't have the "master of none" feature.
The current nerf on AR's isnt' elegant but at least it gives a more level playing field. It's just going to take some time to get used to for most people.
Given how good a shot you are G-Slick, i'm sure you'll adjust in no time :)
Keep the faith. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:46:00 -
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G-SLicK wrote:Im gonna use every OP weapon until they un-nerf the F****** ARs. #1. people don't know how to play their class, you cant hop in a heavy suit and expect to own every 1v1 thats just not happing. AR were where they needed to be they have been fine for like 5 builds now but all of a sudden people start b******* about them. #2. Every weapon had their special role now its all turned to ****
Sorry dude, but i dont see where AR have been nerfed more than any other weapons... And i use AR. If you're talking about not having Camera SIghts, this will be back.
IF you're talking about the tac AR. then there i'd be ok with you as the nerf has been very badly done. Raised recoil, didnt touch RoF, wich was the real problem. |
Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:59:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:When you can hit, and kill someone easily from every range zone with one weapon that is easier to use then every other weapon something is wrong.
AR's were not, and still are not, difficult to use. They were capable of absolutely destroying anything at extreme ranges in Large Maps and at all ranges in Small Maps. They were the Jack of all trades weapon yet the didn't have the "master of none" feature.
The current nerf on AR's isnt' elegant but at least it gives a more level playing field. It's just going to take some time to get used to for most people.
Given how good a shot you are G-Slick, i'm sure you'll adjust in no time :)
Keep the faith. You and many are morons. An assault rifle is a jack of all trades!!!! It doesn't exceed at any one role! It's most effective at medium ranges. Lasers melt faster at medium to farther range than AR's, Snipers are long distant, Shot guns and SMG are the short range weapons and are a lot better than AR's at this range. Mass drivers and HMG's are the short to medium range weapons.
AR's are exactly the same way in real life. And I don't see anybody saying that any AR needs a nerf in real life!!! No people in reality make a weapon for a specific role. If they want a weapon to do more damage at closer range, they go out and creat the weapon to exceed! Not go and nerf the AR!
CCP needs to stop nerfing everything and instead make variants and new weapon that have more specific role and will do a certain job better if they don't want everybody to using the AR as the jake of all trades.
CCP loves to talk about how this game is so fall set in the future. That if a human shot one of these weapon now, we would blow our selfs up. Yet 200k plus years from now we have iron sights. And humanity hasn't came up with a way to deal with recoil. Just look at the Vector SMG in real life! Hardly any recoil. It's sad that CoD and halo have minuscule recoil and we have recoil out the waszooo!
Some awesome sci-if shooter! |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:25:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Free Healing wrote:When you can hit, and kill someone easily from every range zone with one weapon that is easier to use then every other weapon something is wrong.
AR's were not, and still are not, difficult to use. They were capable of absolutely destroying anything at extreme ranges in Large Maps and at all ranges in Small Maps. They were the Jack of all trades weapon yet the didn't have the "master of none" feature.
The current nerf on AR's isnt' elegant but at least it gives a more level playing field. It's just going to take some time to get used to for most people.
Given how good a shot you are G-Slick, i'm sure you'll adjust in no time :)
Keep the faith. You and many are morons. An assault rifle is a jack of all trades!!!! It doesn't exceed at any one role! It's most effective at medium ranges. Lasers melt faster at medium to farther range than AR's, Snipers are long distant, Shot guns and SMG are the short range weapons and are a lot better than AR's at this range. Mass drivers and HMG's are the short to medium range weapons. AR's are exactly the same way in real life. And I don't see anybody saying that any AR needs a nerf in real life!!! No people in reality make a weapon for a specific role. If they want a weapon to do more damage at closer range, they go out and creat the weapon to exceed! Not go and nerf the AR! CCP needs to stop nerfing everything and instead make variants and new weapon that have more specific role and will do a certain job better if they don't want everybody to using the AR as the jake of all trades. CCP loves to talk about how this game is so fall set in the future. That if a human shot one of these weapon now, we would blow our selfs up. Yet 200k plus years from now we have iron sights. And humanity hasn't came up with a way to deal with recoil. Just look at the Vector SMG in real life! Hardly any recoil. It's sad that CoD and halo have minuscule recoil and we have recoil out the waszooo! Some awesome sci-if shooter!
The AR need to be nerfed on its recoil sorry it was a point and click death weapon. As for the IS go I do believe we have had guns for almost 600 years now, and every military in the world teaches you how to fire with iron sights. Your standard issue weapon is a gun with an iron sight. The US M4 and M4 carbine both issued with iron sights. Russia also issues the AK 47 and the AK 74 carbine both issued with iron sights. Hundreds of years in the future still people use iron sights, and quite effectively too.
Lastly CoD and Halo are made for that type of gamer. Of course there isn't any kick the game even aims for you. Try battlefield bad company 2 or hardcore BF3 see if you got kick there or built in crutches to that standard. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:26:00 -
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At least they figured out a way to give a hand held weapon a greater punch than a tank's main turret. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:28:00 -
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Skihids wrote:At least they figured out a way to give a hand held weapon a greater punch than a tank's main turret.
Do you mean the MDs because all they got as far as damage goes is a nerf. Ammo buff and a damage nerf. |
Michael Cratar
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:48:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Since i saw that people complain and ask for nerf about what they can't afford, i would like to ask for a nerf on laser rifles and mass drivers.
I mean, people ask for a "nerf" on Tactical assault rifles because they go straight with a pistol against someone with a tactical assault rifle.
They didn't think something like "mmm ok, TAR are not so good at close distance so i won't go straight, i will go cover and i will kill him at close distance". No, they go straight to someone or something and that's how they test a weapon.
For people who don't understand: "SARCASM Mode ON"
Ok, i want to say. Laser rifles are too OP, i go with my AR and i can't even shoot him, even with my shotgun, they hit me so far away from me. Lasers have so much range. Please, nerf the range and the damage on the shields.
Mass Drivers are OP too, i go with my sniper rifle running and sniping at the same time and i can't even hit the guy and he kills me with 3 shoots. I want a nerf on the mass driver.
PS: nerf the LAVs too, i go straight in my Scout Suit with my Nova Knife and the LAV just crush me and kills me, that isn't fair, please nerf the LAVs
"SARCASM Mode OFF"
PS2: the matchmaking (if it's exist) looks worst.
PS3: In general i think the new build is better and i like it. I love the game.
Sorry for the english. See you
I speak for all of the people who are good at this gamr when i say this. NO!
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:51:00 -
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mass drivers>ARs>laser rifles- at damaging armor and CQC laser rifles>ARs>mass drivers- at damaging shields and long range combat Working as intended.
And saying pistol users got tac ARs nerfed is a joke- I never had a big problem taking out a tac AR with my pistols. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:55:00 -
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G-SLicK wrote:Im gonna use every OP weapon until they un-nerf the F****** ARs. #1. people don't know how to play their class, you cant hop in a heavy suit and expect to own every 1v1 thats just not happing. AR were where they needed to be they have been fine for like 5 builds now but all of a sudden people start b******* about them. #2. Every weapon had their special role now its all turned to **** hurr durr wasnt your corp the 1 who claimed when recoil gets added they will dominate even more with AR's? Hmm what a sudden change of heart. You are just mad that the AR is not the "all in one" soloution for all situations anymore. I use myself here and then a AR when i need to get the job done on medium-close range. Sorry pal but your TAC AR i win button on that modded controller is useless now. So get good scrub. |
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Sabyn R
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:30:00 -
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Nerf the shotguns too. Those things are the noobtube of Eve Dust. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:34:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:Skihids wrote:At least they figured out a way to give a hand held weapon a greater punch than a tank's main turret. Do you mean the MDs because all they got as far as damage goes is a nerf. Ammo buff and a damage nerf.
No, I mean forge guns have a greater alpha than heavy rail turrets. |
Goat of Dover
Shadow Company HQ
161
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:46:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:Skihids wrote:At least they figured out a way to give a hand held weapon a greater punch than a tank's main turret. Do you mean the MDs because all they got as far as damage goes is a nerf. Ammo buff and a damage nerf. No, I mean forge guns have a greater alpha than heavy rail turrets.
I can see that as a risk reward thing really, and a balance situation for AV purposes. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:40:00 -
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Goat of Dover wrote:Skihids wrote:Goat of Dover wrote:Skihids wrote:At least they figured out a way to give a hand held weapon a greater punch than a tank's main turret. Do you mean the MDs because all they got as far as damage goes is a nerf. Ammo buff and a damage nerf. No, I mean forge guns have a greater alpha than heavy rail turrets. I can see that as a risk reward thing really, and a balance situation for AV purposes.
Forge guns have a slower rate of fire, limited ammo (16), no refined aim, limited though long range, and scatter. One can snipe with a tank rail main turret, have unlimited ammo, a faster spool up time, better rate of fire, and longer range. Tanks are all but immune to small arms fire where as heavies are vulnerable to everything but Swarms. Quityourbitching about FG wielders.
Also, a Forge is a man portable heavy rail gun. |
Magpie Raven
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
161
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:50:00 -
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In my opinion the lasers rifle are god the way they are. Last build they were incredibly difficult to use. finally the AR has o nemesis. There needs to be things that can beat an AR. Laser rifle can be beat. Just get into cover. The more LAs shoot the more damage they do.
With regards to Mass Drivers. Maybe with the increase in mag count decrease the damage? Either way its too easy for them to just lob them everywhere and kill people. When friendly fire comes on it will be hard for them though. Either way they dont bother me much. I can handle them. But maybe thats cuz im one of the grizzled veterens who have been in beta since the beginning. |
empty souls
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
3
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:51:00 -
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Might as well nerf everything.....Leave us with just a blank screen .....Step ur games up .... |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:38:00 -
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for whoever is talking about the AR, the geck 38 with sharpshooter level 5 shoots probably as far as a sniper rifle in AR standards. so they were nerfed for a reason, the AR was the dominating weapon, including one Tac AR that was nerfed so hard, that whoever used a modded controller with it deserved it.
In terms of laser rifles, the range could be decreased a lot.
in terms of mass drivers, they are area denial weapons, they are mean to be useable, also the recoil on them is horribly strong.
but for all the people hijacking this thread with talk of AR's they are now balanced, if you dont like it adapt or die or go play another game. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
33
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:09:00 -
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Laser rifles are far from OP it takes a good one quite some time to "warm up" to do enough damage. As for Mass drivers they are somewhat but the only nerf I'd like to see is for them to crank down the splash damage and make direct hits ~900HP |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:16:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Laser rifles are far from OP it takes a good one quite some time to "warm up" to do enough damage. As for Mass drivers they are somewhat but the only nerf I'd like to see is for them to crank down the splash damage and make direct hits ~900HP
No, the MD is the only Area Denial weapon left in the game. Their low RoF means they are outclassed in just about every one on one encounter, making them support rather than front line weapons. Nerf the only thing they are good for and you may as well remove them from the game. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
294
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:33:00 -
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The only bad thing they did with mass drivers was increase clip size. Mass drivers where great the way they are. They where a awesome support weapon because they stopped people from being able to aim. But where not a killing machine because of there small clip size. Now they have become a killing machine. there is no escape from a squad of mass drivers because once you get hit the first time you have no way to hit them back.
Laser rifles where fine before the tac rifle uber nerf by giving it kick that makes you wait a second after each shot. they need to tone down the kick on some of the assault rifles.
Oh ya for bob trust me lazers eat up armor faster then any assault rifle can dream of. Once you get aim on a heavy he is screwed if at optimal range. i can pop well tank heavies in less then a second on my alt. |
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