DUST Search - Mass Drivers are FTW

Kaughst wrote:

Sobriety Denied wrote:

Kaughst wrote:

The thing is I still do not see alot of people using them even though the rate has gone up. I have about 9,500 kills and 2000 something deaths and has been a wonderful weapon that I am still learning to master. Yet I have almost never gone against another Mass Driver that knows what they are doing or who had the capacity to give a good challenge and normally when I see one they are usually not much of a threat. That all being said I am pretty satisfied when the Mass Driver is now and I don't think it needs a nerf or buff.

it needs to be left alone, but will probably get nerfed.

they dont take much skill to use but they take skill to be good with, i face off alot of MD with breach AR i think i run from Cyn's tho, depends on who using the MD and how many, fighting more than one MD is too much for me, because they can both hit you even if someone is blocking their shot, when fighting ARs there's the small comfort that the AR's cant always hit you because there in each others way which you dont have that comfort when fighting multiple MDs.

Really people who say they are OP probably wouldn't know how to use them effectively. The range though with the assault rifle is what really gets me, that and undershooting....and shields.

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Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.19 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so much for ARs... Mass Drivers are the new vanilla and they take ALOT of skill to use. If you want to melt the map and people, just pick up one of these VERY HARD to use weapons. Proto Mass Driver inc.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:05:00 - [2] - Quote I just watched the "better" players on here just run a full squad of proto mass drivers. They just spawned and started shooting. The range on those things is stupid good, and they do so much damage lmfao. Omg these kids make this game way too rich lmfao
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just watched the "better" players on here just run a full squad of proto mass drivers. They just spawned and started shooting. The range on those things is stupid good, and they do so much damage lmfao. Omg these kids make this game way too rich lmfao CCP gave us lemons, we made Mass lemonade. Four of us running around with EXO (Advanced) mass drivers, not in proto.... yet.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1899	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote Read: CCP attempts to balance our favorite toys, so we grabbed the next best thing ;)
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Im your huckleberry! Lets squad up this evening and go ExoDUST on these clowns. I got 2 more people that can join us. My logi suit has 2 complex damage modifiers too.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:24:00 - [6] - Quote They are a complete joke and I hate them already, the guy doesnt even have to aim as long as you get in the splash radius your aim is thrown fifty feet off, the aim throw needs a nerf
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:26:00 - [7] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: They are a complete joke and I hate them already, the guy doesnt even have to aim as long as you get in the splash radius your aim is thrown fifty feet off, the aim throw needs a nerf I don't know what you mean, it takes "skill" to use a Mass Driver.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:31:00 - [8] - Quote i breach ar, get killed by MD and then i dont get killed by MD but alot of it depends on their support and the terrain situation if the MD wins or not, the exo is pretty brutal tho.. im having to run more tank than gank on dropsuit
G-SLicK Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 185	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:31:00 - [9] - Quote mass drivers are cool and very skillful to use, they dont need nerf
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:33:00 - [10] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Ok so much for ARs... Mass Drivers are the new vanilla and they take ALOT of skill to use. If you want to melt the map and people, just pick up one of these VERY HARD to use weapons. Proto Mass Driver inc. The sarcasm....it buuurns.

Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 651	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:40:00 - [11] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: i breach ar, get killed by MD and then i dont get killed by MD but alot of it depends on their support and the terrain situation if the MD wins or not, the exo is pretty brutal tho.. im having to run more tank than gank on dropsuit And the best part... it doesn't have Iron Sights, it has a regular scope.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:45:00 - [12] - Quote the best part is when they're up on a high area, they deny you the ability to get near em to try and stop em... ouch
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: the best part is when they're up on a high area, they deny you the ability to get near em to try and stop em... ouch Thats where you need snipers
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote G-SLicK wrote: mass drivers are cool and very skillful to use, they dont need nerf Nah nerf 6 shots, keep total ammo increase.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 295	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:51:00 - [15] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: the best part is when they're up on a high area, they deny you the ability to get near em to try and stop em... ouch The worst part is when you are below the enemy with an MD and can't get the right angle to shoot them and they rain AR fire down on your head.
Kaughst The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 3	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote The thing is I still do not see alot of people using them even though the rate has gone up. I have about 9,500 kills and 2000 something deaths and has been a wonderful weapon that I am still learning to master. Yet I have almost never gone against another Mass Driver that knows what they are doing or who had the capacity to give a good challenge and normally when I see one they are usually not much of a threat. That all being said I am pretty satisfied where the Mass Driver is now and I don't think it needs a nerf or buff.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:51:00 - [17] - Quote yea death from above and at other angles they have a hard time hitting target, much of their success depends on the immediate terrain
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:51:00 - [18] - Quote Laser Rifles and Mass Drivers are THE weapons for this build. Snipers are useless on ambush cause of the small map layouts, AR's are crap at medium-long range and HMG's seem a bit odd. Well i stick with the viziam for now and hunt people from distance and make them look like idiots.
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:52:00 - [19] - Quote I think most of the MD hate is coming from the "let's dance" school of gun fighting. It's hard to dance when your partner keeps stepping on your feet no mater how nimble you are. You just can't dance around a MD in the open and you can't waltz up to them and allow them to drop several rounds at your feet. Think like a shotgun scout and get in close where their slow RoF is a huge disadvantage. Or engage them at range from behind cover where you can duck and evade those slow moving projectiles. Slow Area of Effect weapons require different tactics to defeat than a rifle does. MD's have plenty of weaknesses: They are slow to fire They have a long flight time for any distance You have to master the arc to place rounds accurately at distance You need to accurately predict enemy movement at range or you will miss Everyone knows where you are. That huge smokey arc points right back to your location In extremely CQC you will blow yourself up It's all Rock/Paper/Scissors
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:54:00 - [20] - Quote noob tubing scum

Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:56:00 - [21] - Quote Kaughst wrote: The thing is I still do not see alot of people using them even though the rate has gone up. I have about 9,500 kills and 2000 something deaths and has been a wonderful weapon that I am still learning to master. Yet I have almost never gone against another Mass Driver that knows what they are doing or who had the capacity to give a good challenge and normally when I see one they are usually not much of a threat. That all being said I am pretty satisfied when the Mass Driver is now and I don't think it needs a nerf or buff. it needs to be left alone, but will probably get nerfed. they dont take much skill to use but they take skill to be good with, i face off alot of MD with breach AR i think i run from Cyn's tho, depends on who using the MD and how many, fighting more than one MD is too much for me, because they can both hit you even if someone is blocking their shot, when fighting ARs there's the small comfort that the AR's cant always hit you because there in each others way which you dont have that comfort when fighting multiple MDs.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.12.19 20:59:00 - [22] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Ima Leet wrote: the best part is when they're up on a high area, they deny you the ability to get near em to try and stop em... ouch The worst part is when you are below the enemy with an MD and can't get the right angle to shoot them and they rain AR fire down on your head. That is quite annoying until you get lucky and nail them directly in the face. I don't know why everybody is panicking about them; a splash damage nerf down the line seems kind of inevitable.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: noob tubing scum It takes skill yo!
Kaughst The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 3	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:03:00 - [24] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: Kaughst wrote: The thing is I still do not see alot of people using them even though the rate has gone up. I have about 9,500 kills and 2000 something deaths and has been a wonderful weapon that I am still learning to master. Yet I have almost never gone against another Mass Driver that knows what they are doing or who had the capacity to give a good challenge and normally when I see one they are usually not much of a threat. That all being said I am pretty satisfied when the Mass Driver is now and I don't think it needs a nerf or buff. it needs to be left alone, but will probably get nerfed. they dont take much skill to use but they take skill to be good with, i face off alot of MD with breach AR i think i run from Cyn's tho, depends on who using the MD and how many, fighting more than one MD is too much for me, because they can both hit you even if someone is blocking their shot, when fighting ARs there's the small comfort that the AR's cant always hit you because there in each others way which you dont have that comfort when fighting multiple MDs. Really people who say they are OP probably wouldn't know how to use them effectively. The range though with the assault rifle is what really gets me, that and undershooting....and shields.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:09:00 - [25] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Really people who say they are OP probably wouldn't know how to use them effectively. The range though with the assault rifle is what really gets me, that and undershooting....and shields. Kaughst to be fair to you, you are one of the best MD users I have ever played against. You and Naglfar are prolly the best people to use as examples as how to use a MD. But now every scrub that can get a MD has gone and got one. Its absolutely ridiculous how many people use MDs now. And it is not the direct hits that keep killing me. Its the 4 rounds from 4 different clowns that hit. This has to stop.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Sobriety Denied wrote: Kaughst wrote: The thing is I still do not see alot of people using them even though the rate has gone up. I have about 9,500 kills and 2000 something deaths and has been a wonderful weapon that I am still learning to master. Yet I have almost never gone against another Mass Driver that knows what they are doing or who had the capacity to give a good challenge and normally when I see one they are usually not much of a threat. That all being said I am pretty satisfied when the Mass Driver is now and I don't think it needs a nerf or buff. it needs to be left alone, but will probably get nerfed. they dont take much skill to use but they take skill to be good with, i face off alot of MD with breach AR i think i run from Cyn's tho, depends on who using the MD and how many, fighting more than one MD is too much for me, because they can both hit you even if someone is blocking their shot, when fighting ARs there's the small comfort that the AR's cant always hit you because there in each others way which you dont have that comfort when fighting multiple MDs. Really people who say they are OP probably wouldn't know how to use them effectively. The range though with the assault rifle is what really gets me, that and undershooting....and shields. if i can kill the MD within the first opening seconds of the fight, tank maybe 2 of their rounds, if i fail that window they get the upper hand it seems and their 3rd shot i'm in trouble their 4rth one tends to be lethal, if i survive the barrage i usually kill them during their reload unless their supported, imo looks good to me a battlefield should look like firey hell which is what the MDs do, do they really need to nerf the last explosive i hope not, an explosion should hurt and be somewhat scary, not just some novelty
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:30:00 - [27] - Quote Just for the record, i called it prior to the patch being launched. Believe it or not, i do actually know what i'm talking about when it comes to balance, i've done this many times before. MD's will get a radius and dmg nerf next and then laser rifles will be the flavour of the month till they get readdressed.
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:37:00 - [28] - Quote Freedom MDs with complex dmg mods and profL5 is FTW
h3lenK3ller Doomheim 13	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:40:00 - [29] - Quote lol just run up in their face and make them suicide themselfs
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:46:00 - [30] - Quote h3lenK3ller wrote: lol just run up in their face and make them suicide themselfs or just get far enough away so you can just dodge their shots. Snipe, three steps to the right, snipe, three steps to the left, snipe,.... Also works with a constantly charging laser

Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.12.19 22:52:00 - [31] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Ima Leet wrote: the best part is when they're up on a high area, they deny you the ability to get near em to try and stop em... ouch The worst part is when you are below the enemy with an MD and can't get the right angle to shoot them and they rain AR fire down on your head. That is quite annoying until you get lucky and nail them directly in the face. I don't know why everybody is panicking about them; a splash damage nerf down the line seems kind of inevitable. i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius?
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.12.19 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Kaughst wrote: Really people who say they are OP probably wouldn't know how to use them effectively. The range though with the assault rifle is what really gets me, that and undershooting....and shields. Kaughst to be fair to you, you are one of the best MD users I have ever played against. You and Naglfar are prolly the best people to use as examples as how to use a MD. But now every scrub that can get a MD has gone and got one. Its absolutely ridiculous how many people use MDs now. And it is not the direct hits that keep killing me. Its the 4 rounds from 4 different clowns that hit. This has to stop. yes theres no way you should die when four people are hitting you at once /sarcasim
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.12.19 22:57:00 - [33] - Quote At least they aren't as bad as ARs used to be- these take some skill and have an effective counter (high shields and laser rifles)
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.19 23:03:00 - [34] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius? Yeah, let's effectively make them direct damage weapons like small missiles. Then we can do the same to those annoying no skill grenades. You don't get any damage unless you manage to slip it into their pocket. Then everything will be the same and ARs will once again be king.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.12.19 23:13:00 - [35] - Quote LOL NOOBS> Some of us already have PROTO MASS DRIVAS. Also, EC-3 is ridiculously good.
Grimmiers ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.12.19 23:22:00 - [36] - Quote I still have a large overstock in mass drivers maybe I'll go advanced too. I've gotten destroyed by a mass driver today and I wasn't even mad or anything... just made me think about life... T___T life is good
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.12.19 23:40:00 - [37] - Quote Skihids wrote: Ima Leet wrote: i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius? Yeah, let's effectively make them direct damage weapons like small missiles. Then we can do the same to those annoying no skill grenades. You don't get any damage unless you manage to slip it into their pocket. Then everything will be the same and ARs will once again be king. hmm i dont see slightly reducing splash radius being so horrible as you make it sound, leave the damage alone grenades still suck, instead of throwing straight up like they used to they now throw directly forward lolgrenades
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.20 00:09:00 - [38] - Quote The only nerfs MD's should get is dropping the clip size back to 4 while keeping max ammo at current build level. And reduce the effect on aim/off balance. DMG and splash damage is fine as is currently. (Maybe, maybe a nerf is warranted depending on the efficacy of proto gear for dmg isnt balanced by their relative cost) For everyone that wants this to be just another circle strafe shooter get over it, get used to having to deal with different enemy and weapon types its just part of the territory. Know your role and play it, stop trying to be Rambo. As for running up against teams of MD users, i made a post about this but noone like the idea, here it is and decide for yourself. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48124&find=unread
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.12.20 02:14:00 - [39] - Quote Based on all the positive reviews of the MD, I think I am going to play around with it tonight. Last time I used it was two builds ago, when it didn't work right. I think it's pretty great the light weapon category covers so many things. AR's, LR's, and MD's. Makes it pretty easy to use already purchased skills for many weapon classes.
Tbone3222 Doomheim 5	Posted - 2012.12.20 02:25:00 - [40] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: Skihids wrote: Ima Leet wrote: i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius? Yeah, let's effectively make them direct damage weapons like small missiles. Then we can do the same to those annoying no skill grenades. You don't get any damage unless you manage to slip it into their pocket. Then everything will be the same and ARs will once again be king. hmm i dont see slightly reducing splash radius being so horrible as you make it sound, leave the damage alone grenades still suck, instead of throwing straight up like they used to they now throw directly forward lolgrenades 4m down to 2m isn't slightly reducing splash. I agree with the above post, put to magazine back to 4 and all will be fine.

Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.20 02:27:00 - [41] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Ok so much for ARs... Mass Drivers are the new vanilla and they take ALOT of skill to use. If you want to melt the map and people, just pick up one of these VERY HARD to use weapons. Proto Mass Driver inc. Why switch??? you weren't doing bad with the duvolle today??
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.12.20 02:32:00 - [42] - Quote Tbone3222 wrote: Ima Leet wrote: Skihids wrote: Ima Leet wrote: i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius? Yeah, let's effectively make them direct damage weapons like small missiles. Then we can do the same to those annoying no skill grenades. You don't get any damage unless you manage to slip it into their pocket. Then everything will be the same and ARs will once again be king. hmm i dont see slightly reducing splash radius being so horrible as you make it sound, leave the damage alone grenades still suck, instead of throwing straight up like they used to they now throw directly forward lolgrenades 4m down to 2m isn't slightly reducing splash. I agree with the above post, put to magazine back to 4 and all will be fine. lol okay 3m and reduce the clip?
CLONE 2774 Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 83	Posted - 2012.12.20 02:39:00 - [43] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Ok so much for ARs... Mass Drivers are the new vanilla and they take ALOT of skill to use. If you want to melt the map and people, just pick up one of these VERY HARD to use weapons. Proto Mass Driver inc. Lot of Skill pfft....ha...ah..hah..hahha.hahahhhhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! LOT OF SKILL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! HAHA..hHAhahaaHAhaahahhahah..ha.a............h..... Im done
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:10:00 - [44] - Quote CLONE 2774 wrote: Cyn Bruin wrote: Ok so much for ARs... Mass Drivers are the new vanilla and they take ALOT of skill to use. If you want to melt the map and people, just pick up one of these VERY HARD to use weapons. Proto Mass Driver inc. Lot of Skill pfft....ha...ah..hah..hahha.hahahhhhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! LOT OF SKILL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! HAHA..hHAhahaaHAhaahahhahah..ha.a............h..... Im done Google Sarcasm.
Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:15:00 - [45] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: Tbone3222 wrote: Ima Leet wrote: Skihids wrote: Ima Leet wrote: i was thinking a splash radius nerf, i think i saw someone say they're currently at 4m radius? how about 2m radius? Yeah, let's effectively make them direct damage weapons like small missiles. Then we can do the same to those annoying no skill grenades. You don't get any damage unless you manage to slip it into their pocket. Then everything will be the same and ARs will once again be king. hmm i dont see slightly reducing splash radius being so horrible as you make it sound, leave the damage alone grenades still suck, instead of throwing straight up like they used to they now throw directly forward lolgrenades 4m down to 2m isn't slightly reducing splash. I agree with the above post, put to magazine back to 4 and all will be fine. lol okay 3m and reduce the clip? I'm gonna stick to my guns and say stay at 4m and reduce the magazine. If I land all 4 shots on someone that would equal about 500-700 damage, but that takes 4 seconds. The 2 extra rounds are what will make it borderline OP, I've been saying that since the entire last build when people complained how useless it was. On a side note, what's the DPS of the average AR? the DPS for the MD is 160ish for a good one, 250ish for a direct hit.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:33:00 - [46] - Quote I'll take these pro players playing with the MD over the last builds ARs. They go >20/1 when they use to go <25/0 with their ARs. But in truth the MD was fine the way it was with 4 rounds, wouldn't mind more capacity but 6 rounds are OP. The radius is fine around 4 but the 5% increase to radius might need to be 3%.


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