DUST Search - My view on tank changes and a little bit on AV

NAV HIV wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Swarms are BRILLIANT against armour (bonus damage), but if the enemy has decent shields, they're not going to hurt much without help. Flux Grenades, Laser Rifles, Forge Guns, a friendly HAV, whatever you can get to strip the shields.

Once the shields are low, start with Swarms, and the target falls apart fast.

Militia Forge Gun is fine, imo. Doesn't cost significantly less than standard, has higher fitting requirements, and there's no blueprint. The only thing that would have worried me is the blueprint. If that happened, then yeah, there would be problems with the Militia Forge Gun.

As it stands, a lone player with a Militia Forge Gun isn't a credible threat even against a Militia HAV with only the driver in it. I think that's fair.

Couldnt agree with the Militia forge gun. It does 1200 Dmg without skills, with the bpo Heavy Skinweave suit it doesnt cost that much to use it. Add a few AV nades and then a single MT Forge gunner can eat a sica or soma and walk away. Compare the cost of a MT tank and MT Forge. Is it fair?

It could do some serious damage to other tanks too with less skill requirements. Spcially those suicide missions could be very deadly if the tanker is caught in a bad place.


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.20 14:41:00 - [1] - Quote Swarms are BRILLIANT against armour (bonus damage), but if the enemy has decent shields, they're not going to hurt much without help. Flux Grenades, Laser Rifles, Forge Guns, a friendly HAV, whatever you can get to strip the shields. Once the shields are low, start with Swarms, and the target falls apart fast. Militia Forge Gun is fine, imo. Doesn't cost significantly less than standard, has higher fitting requirements, and there's no blueprint. The only thing that would have worried me is the blueprint. If that happened, then yeah, there would be problems with the Militia Forge Gun. As it stands, a lone player with a Militia Forge Gun isn't a credible threat even against a Militia HAV with only the driver in it. I think that's fair.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:43:00 - [2] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Swarms are BRILLIANT against armour (bonus damage), but if the enemy has decent shields, they're not going to hurt much without help. Flux Grenades, Laser Rifles, Forge Guns, a friendly HAV, whatever you can get to strip the shields. Once the shields are low, start with Swarms, and the target falls apart fast. Militia Forge Gun is fine, imo. Doesn't cost significantly less than standard, has higher fitting requirements, and there's no blueprint. The only thing that would have worried me is the blueprint. If that happened, then yeah, there would be problems with the Militia Forge Gun. As it stands, a lone player with a Militia Forge Gun isn't a credible threat even against a Militia HAV with only the driver in it. I think that's fair. Couldnt agree with the Militia forge gun. It does 1200 Dmg without skills, with the bpo Heavy Skinweave suit it doesnt cost that much to use it. Add a few AV nades and then a single MT Forge gunner can eat a sica or soma and walk away. Compare the cost of a MT tank and MT Forge. Is it fair? It could do some serious damage to other tanks too with less skill requirements. Spcially those suicide missions could be very deadly if the tanker is caught in a bad place. So look at the difference in cost to do the same thing with a Standard Forge Gun instead of Militia? One level of Forge Ops = 12,440 SP Standard Forge Gun is 8,800 ISK Either way you're saying you need AV nades, which are an additional cost (in both SP and ISK). The Militia Forge is cheap, but unless it's supported by the skills the Standard FG requires, it falls behind in effectiveness. Also, the slow reload of the weapon in general, combined with the fact that the Militia Forge has to reload more often, means more missed opportunities when that HAV runs while you're reloading, and comes back 20 seconds later with full shields and armour, and you're still at half armour and no shields.