DUST Search - SP BREAKDOWN?

SoTa PoP wrote:

Marston EV wrote:

I see where your coming from. Currently theres around a 500,000 SP cap per 7 day cycle. The closer you get to the cap and the further you progress through the week, the less amount of SP you gain. I feel like CCP should probably increase the Cap to the SP to something like 750,000 or make it so that theres a minimum amount of SP you can make per match so that way, once you hit your weeks cap you can still "grind" and keep making a reasonable amount of SP. When your like me and your playing on a saturday making only 100 SP a game....... you begin to wonder "why am i playing this?" If they dropped a minimum skill reward at like 2500 SP a match that would make this game wayyyyyyy more apealing

The point of the cap is to keep people like you from running too far a head of casuals.

But that said - it makes no sense to play a game that stops rewarding you after a while. There definitely needs to be a minimum cap, but I think CCP just expects you to grind for ISK.

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HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2012.12.17 02:39:00 - [1] - Quote This is a thread regarding the EPIC sp rewards Ive been getting.Wednesday at reset I wrote down every single match I played and what I ended up with.Im half tempted to right them all in this thread but Ill just put in some of the more ridiculous ones. THURSDAY W/L * KDR * SP * WP * 1-16 L * 10/3 * 13357 * 905 W * 13/1 * 6861 * 715 * 1 W * 19/3 * 10873 * 1645 * 1 -This last one is interesting.I got more sp than the first.^and we won the match.KDR is 19/3 first is 10/3.WP are higher but the payout is lower? SUNDAY [list=2] W * 15/5 * 1501 * 1307 * 2 W * 29/3 * 3665 * 2060 * 1 W * 12/2 * 1198 * 840 * 3 W * 14/2 * 2352 * 1220 * 2 W * 14/6 * 2932 * 1115 * 5 [/list] -Starting to see a problem right about here. Im just trying to figure out how these matches are paid out in SP. I played 46 matches this week and all but about 6 of them did my SP rewards go above 5k.IS CCP serious ?Do they really think, that with SP rewards like these,that they will play this game when they realize some level 5s will take 2 million SP to achieve?Im just confused is all.Like I said I played 46 matches.Thats a little much on the old grind factor to keep my sanity and interest ....long term in this game.Im also concerned and always have been about the NERF hammer...if people have to gring this hard and CCP nulifies all your hard work and grinding.I couldnt imagine what that might be like for someone...might be a "deal breaker".Might want to think about that CCP.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.17 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.17 02:51:00 - [3] - Quote Am I to assume this thread is saying there's too much content that continues to progress players and therefor the higher costs and such would distract people enough that they fail to realize how little that 2,000,000 SP skill upgrade gave them compared to that 80,000 SP passive upgrade you got?
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.17 02:54:00 - [4] - Quote I see where your coming from. Currently theres around a 500,000 SP cap per 7 day cycle. The closer you get to the cap and the further you progress through the week, the less amount of SP you gain. I feel like CCP should probably increase the Cap to the SP to something like 750,000 or make it so that theres a minimum amount of SP you can make per match so that way, once you hit your weeks cap you can still "grind" and keep making a reasonable amount of SP. When your like me and your playing on a saturday making only 100 SP a game....... you begin to wonder "why am i playing this?" If they dropped a minimum skill reward at like 2500 SP a match that would make this game wayyyyyyy more apealing
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:00:00 - [5] - Quote Marston EV wrote: I see where your coming from. Currently theres around a 500,000 SP cap per 7 day cycle. The closer you get to the cap and the further you progress through the week, the less amount of SP you gain. I feel like CCP should probably increase the Cap to the SP to something like 750,000 or make it so that theres a minimum amount of SP you can make per match so that way, once you hit your weeks cap you can still "grind" and keep making a reasonable amount of SP. When your like me and your playing on a saturday making only 100 SP a game....... you begin to wonder "why am i playing this?" If they dropped a minimum skill reward at like 2500 SP a match that would make this game wayyyyyyy more apealing The point of the cap is to keep people like you from running too far a head of casuals. But that said - it makes no sense to play a game that stops rewarding you after a while. There definitely needs to be a minimum cap, but I think CCP just expects you to grind for ISK.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:02:00 - [6] - Quote I still don't understand why people can't play a game for fun. ISK is a good enough reward.
Mischa Egan Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:03:00 - [7] - Quote Sp is still comming in too fast, be happy with what you're getting it's only gonna be lowered more.
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:06:00 - [8] - Quote Marston EV wrote: I see where your coming from. Currently theres around a 500,000 SP cap per 7 day cycle. The closer you get to the cap and the further you progress through the week, the less amount of SP you gain. I feel like CCP should probably increase the Cap to the SP to something like 750,000 or make it so that theres a minimum amount of SP you can make per match so that way, once you hit your weeks cap you can still "grind" and keep making a reasonable amount of SP. When your like me and your playing on a saturday making only 100 SP a game....... you begin to wonder "why am i playing this?" If they dropped a minimum skill reward at like 2500 SP a match that would make this game wayyyyyyy more apealing Not to much on this character and with working 60 plus hrs a week but I have hit the cap before so I agree with you.Making a 100 sp a match DOES make you wonder why you're playing...Why waste ISK? So if you have time you buy the active if you dont you buy the passive? What I mean by this is CCP wants people to buy passives to hit a cap,Not get these rewards.That will only get you closer to the cap.!00-200 a match sp.Let the account passive gain and not spend ISK on suits.....so Ultimately they want me to pay them money "not" to play there game. I dont know Im not making any sense I guess I going to bed Im tired and I have a vicious migrane from staring a the ******* tv all day. ^(this question is just a exclamation)not really directed at Marston unless he wants to comment.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:16:00 - [9] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Marston EV wrote: I see where your coming from. Currently theres around a 500,000 SP cap per 7 day cycle. The closer you get to the cap and the further you progress through the week, the less amount of SP you gain. I feel like CCP should probably increase the Cap to the SP to something like 750,000 or make it so that theres a minimum amount of SP you can make per match so that way, once you hit your weeks cap you can still "grind" and keep making a reasonable amount of SP. When your like me and your playing on a saturday making only 100 SP a game....... you begin to wonder "why am i playing this?" If they dropped a minimum skill reward at like 2500 SP a match that would make this game wayyyyyyy more apealing The point of the cap is to keep people like you from running too far a head of casuals. But that said - it makes no sense to play a game that stops rewarding you after a while. There definitely needs to be a minimum cap, but I think CCP just expects you to grind for ISK. If i play a 10 minute ambush ill make around...... 200 SP from PASSIVE SP gain!!!! meanwhile ill get about 10 SP from the actual game cuz i hit the cap three days ago. Thats no longer a "grind" thats just a semi-acceptable waste of time!!! The only reason its acceptable is because of how i can make money from those games but is it really worth it when i already have 10 mill?? Im glad you understand the minimum idea, But i mean, i feel like an extra 250k wouldn't be that terrible. The cap just keeps us from getting too far ahead "too" fast. Which means that eventually will still get wayyy far ahead, its just that instead of that happening in a month it'll happen in two or three weeks. Idk, maybe im just getting selfish whatevs though, btw i like playing against you!!!
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote I guess what im saying is is that if I dont have time to play and the cap is 500k and my passive has gotten me lets say 150k sense the beginning of the week now on sunday I can play.Why not the 20k match results like before>at 20k a match thats still gonna take me 17.5 matches.Where I still have to play well.1-5

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.17 03:56:00 - [11] - Quote Ok, it's been ages but... it's a beta. Sp isn't the be all and end all of Dust, nor are trigger skills in PvP or having the special new gear. It's about stealing planets from snooty EvEhard space drama queens. It'll be about PvE too, somewhere to relax a bit more, earn that ISK & play with buddies casually. It'll be about setting up KEQ vs STB New Eden style (I might just hire out to be part of that one). It'll be about the rematch. And the next one. And who's left with ISK for the one after that. All we have is direct PvP, market and corp/chat/comms. For 2 of those SP is really important. I think when it all goes live, people won't be so bothered by not gaining much SP, because there will be so much available (best be anyway).
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.12.17 04:18:00 - [12] - Quote I don't see the cap as having anything to do with casual vs. grinder. I see it as more of a way to extend the life of the game before ppl start to max skills out and no longer want to buy boosters. The boosters will probably be a big money maker for this game. The sp gains/cap seem to be fine to me, but maybe a tweek on the diminishing returns would be nice so a weekend warrior can hit the weekly sp cap. However, that could raise a problem of ppl just buying the 1 day booster and not the 7 or 30 because it really only takes one day, which is the only thing that concerns me. However, all that aside, don't try to grind sp. It's pointless and you'll just burn yourself out. Have a life and just play for fun. The grinder will only make a little bit more than the casual that just plays a couple games every day.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.12.17 04:37:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah, the sp system plagues me about this game but I've gotten used to it. If anyone would like to extend the sp gains throughout the week, then I recommend to not buy any of the boosters. They only help you reach the cap faster. That way, you may still earn in the thousands longer than someone else who bought the active booster.
Khal V'Rani Nephilim Initiative 90	Posted - 2012.12.17 05:48:00 - [14] - Quote Not sure if this is in place yet but... direct from the Wang: Quote: #13Posted: 2012.12.04 08:45 \| Report \| Edited by: CCP Cmdr Wang Here are the issues and player feedbeck the dev team discussed this week. Active skill boosters - SP cap limit and how it works with active skill boosters Update: There will a hotfix this month that will increase your active SP cap when using the active skill boosters. I haven't seen how much it will raise the cap anywhere but, this means you'll gain faster and have a higher cap if I'm putting this together correctly.
PAUL BERNARD Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:20:00 - [15] - Quote The worse part of the cap is that it encourages you to not play the game the second half of the wee.


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