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Zynryuk Deir wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Zynryuk Deir wrote:

Octavian Vetiver wrote:

Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either.

I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible)

If you "find yourself" in front of a guy with a Militia Shotgun, you often don't have time to react before going down either.

If you "find yourself" in the sights of a Militia Sniper Rifle and the shooter lines up a headshot, you usually don't even get time to scream "oh kitten!" before going down.

If you're running a stealth-fitted Advanced Scout suit, seeing a Militia AR aiming for you is just as scary as a Codewish against the Frontline Starter Fit in a new player's hands.

Apart those cases : if you find yourself one-on-one with a guy that's holding an assault rifle , you shall stand at least a chance to fight and win even if you are a newbie

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Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 17:47:00 - [1] - Quote I'd suggest to re-balance the whole weapons system to make it more fair for those who start playing : why ,Zyn, shall they rebalance it all? Well because I'd say it is quite frustrating that in game you can often meet players who one-shoot you with their assault rifle , because it is frustrating that you don't even have the time to turn / dodge / or move laterally since you're dead in the very moment your opponent pulls the trigger. Also there are quite some problems concerning the respawn points : it happened in a game I played that my team could not go beyond the spawn position because our enemies were camping right in front of us , and , coincidence , they were that sort of players who kill you in the moment they pull the trigger. Switch weapons is not particularly comfortable : it's kinda slow. Press the 'O' button whenever you want to climb a ladder is not quite practical too.
Dissonant Zan 157	Posted - 2012.12.16 17:55:00 - [2] - Quote So.... I'm guessing by re-balance you mean nerf? How about no. Yeah the new guys are gonna face problems of course, that's why CCP needs to filter the players with lower amounts of SP together instead. Just improve the matchmaking system in the future, unfortunately right now there probably isn't a large enough player base for this, so you will be added to the pool of testing what happens when new player meets vet
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:04:00 - [3] - Quote Dissonant Zan wrote: So.... I'm guessing by re-balance you mean nerf? How about no. Yeah the new guys are gonna face problems of course, that's why CCP needs to filter the players with lower amounts of SP together instead. Just improve the matchmaking system in the future, unfortunately right now there probably isn't a large enough player base for this, so you will be added to the pool of testing what happens when new player meets vet How about ... yes. Change the damage amount weapons deal to make it fair.So that even starter players got a chance to fight with those who got higher skills
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2048	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:08:00 - [4] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: How about ... yes. Change the damage amount weapons deal to make it fair.So that even starter players got a chance to fight with those who got higher skills Haha nope, my expensive high end weapons aren't going to be on the same level as your cheap Walmart gear, you need to start grinding.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:08:00 - [5] - Quote Matchmaking is still being worked on. CCP intend for players to be put into better-balanced matches than we're seeing now. There will be PvE (co-op play) if you're still struggling against other humans. Passive SP should also help, since you can get a decent amount of SP for literally just creating an account then abandoning it for a while.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:13:00 - [6] - Quote Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either.
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Zynryuk Deir wrote: How about ... yes. Change the damage amount weapons deal to make it fair.So that even starter players got a chance to fight with those who got higher skills Haha nope, my expensive high end weapons aren't going to be on the same level as your cheap Walmart gear, you need to start grinding. Not on the same level naturally but less powerful for sure
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:27:00 - [8] - Quote Octavian Vetiver wrote: Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either. I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible)
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:45:00 - [9] - Quote I suspect some of your problems stem from other aspects of the game such as the poor spawn system. There is no saving you when you are dropped in a sea of red regardless of your level. If it weren't for that you could likely group up and stay alive longer. When the player count goes up enough to let the matchmaking system work as intended and the spawn problems are fixed your issues should diminish greatly.
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 19:01:00 - [10] - Quote I really hope so D:>

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.16 19:39:00 - [11] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either. I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible) If you "find yourself" in front of a guy with a Militia Shotgun, you often don't have time to react before going down either. If you "find yourself" in the sights of a Militia Sniper Rifle and the shooter lines up a headshot, you usually don't even get time to scream "oh kitten!" before going down. If you're running a stealth-fitted Advanced Scout suit, seeing a Militia AR aiming for you is just as scary as a Codewish against the Frontline Starter Fit in a new player's hands.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 432	Posted - 2012.12.16 19:40:00 - [12] - Quote These new players are coming up with some of the most frustrating suggestions that everyone else has already argued about till its death. For the love of all that is holy never bring up OP and Nerf ever again! What you want is an upgraded matchmaking system to pit you against players of the same level/tier gear. That way you and your noobular friends can get comfortable then move on. If we were to nerf the whole weapons system, a little fresh punk would be able to kill a pro in a stand still face-off, which would mean that as your skill progresses, the game would become more unfair.
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: These new players are coming up with some of the most frustrating suggestions that everyone else has already argued about till its death. For the love of all that is holy never bring up OP and Nerf ever again! What you want is an upgraded matchmaking system to pit you against players of the same level/tier gear. That way you and your noobular friends can get comfortable then move on. If we were to nerf the whole weapons system, a little fresh punk would be able to kill a pro in a stand still face-off, which would mean that as your skill progresses, the game would become more unfair. I bring up the subject , and , I don't want the game to become that easy. I would just like a newbie to have A CHANCE of win , ONE , against a pro . That's not fantascientific.
Zynryuk Deir Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.12.16 20:36:00 - [14] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Zynryuk Deir wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either. I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible) If you "find yourself" in front of a guy with a Militia Shotgun, you often don't have time to react before going down either. If you "find yourself" in the sights of a Militia Sniper Rifle and the shooter lines up a headshot, you usually don't even get time to scream "oh kitten!" before going down. If you're running a stealth-fitted Advanced Scout suit, seeing a Militia AR aiming for you is just as scary as a Codewish against the Frontline Starter Fit in a new player's hands. Apart those cases : if you find yourself one-on-one with a guy that's holding an assault rifle , you shall stand at least a chance to fight and win even if you are a newbie
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.12.16 20:47:00 - [15] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: I'd suggest to re-balance the whole weapons system to make it more fair for those who start playing : why ,Zyn, shall they rebalance it all? Well because I'd say it is quite frustrating that in game you can often meet players who one-shoot you with their assault rifle , because it is frustrating that you don't even have the time to turn / dodge / or move laterally since you're dead in the very moment your opponent pulls the trigger. Also there are quite some problems concerning the respawn points : it happened in a game I played that my team could not go beyond the spawn position because our enemies were camping right in front of us , and , coincidence , they were that sort of players who kill you in the moment they pull the trigger. Switch weapons is not particularly comfortable : it's kinda slow. Press the 'O' button whenever you want to climb a ladder is not quite practical too. Oh dear you are that sort of player who probably sits the whole day in the redline and spawning on skirmish is fine how it is. There are ways to break trough a redline but that requires teamwork to do so. Like get a LAV, 3 people in it and then start rushing the furthest objective. Reason behind this is that the 2 objectives closest to your redline are protected really well and this means that other objectives are either not guarded at all or only 1 guy will be on it. Which means you can take it quite easy. Knowing this some troops will go back and try to gain controll again over the objective which means you have created just another weakspot. And about good gear vs militia: well they payd alot of ISK for their gear so they have a clear advantage over you. You either start skilling up or keep posting about how unfair this is for you so it gets nerfed. Worked on tanks, dropships and missile turrets quite good. If i would be you i take the last mentioned option cause its a bulletproof way to handle this.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2012.12.16 20:56:00 - [16] - Quote A vet can kill a newbie easily... YES ... But if he dies he will lose a lot more than what a newbie has. And after 4 months playing this game you can specialize and beat the vet. Don't expect a CoD/BF copy in this matter here. My advise to noobs is to search for a good corp and get some advice!
Anyanka Shadowmane Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2012.12.16 21:13:00 - [17] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Zynryuk Deir wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either. I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible) If you "find yourself" in front of a guy with a Militia Shotgun, you often don't have time to react before going down either. If you "find yourself" in the sights of a Militia Sniper Rifle and the shooter lines up a headshot, you usually don't even get time to scream "oh kitten!" before going down. If you're running a stealth-fitted Advanced Scout suit, seeing a Militia AR aiming for you is just as scary as a Codewish against the Frontline Starter Fit in a new player's hands. Apart those cases : if you find yourself one-on-one with a guy that's holding an assault rifle , you shall stand at least a chance to fight and win even if you are a newbie I disagree. If two players of equal abilities are one on one, face to face, then the player in the better gear, with more SP in the appropriate skills should win more of,ten than not. If a new player wants to take on a Vet they need to either sneak upon them, or gang up on them. The Vet's gear and abilities shouldn't be nerfed, it's the matchmaking that needs to be taken care of. If my character's only just started and is in the starter gear, I shouldn't be surprised when I get ganked by a 5,000,000 SP player in top tier gear. However, in the finished game, I very much hope this wont be happening that often.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.16 21:21:00 - [18] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Zynryuk Deir wrote: Octavian Vetiver wrote: Actually, it's possible to kill vets with starter gear. Use some tactics, stay in group with your squad. It sounds like you're attempting to do cod run and gun solo play. This is a lot more realistic then that. Also, don't expect that bunny hop bs to work either. I try to move in groups , but if you happen to find yourself alone in front of one of these guys (because it happens) you don't even have the time to change direction to move laterally so it is quite difficult to use any sort of tactics(difficult to say impossible) If you "find yourself" in front of a guy with a Militia Shotgun, you often don't have time to react before going down either. If you "find yourself" in the sights of a Militia Sniper Rifle and the shooter lines up a headshot, you usually don't even get time to scream "oh kitten!" before going down. If you're running a stealth-fitted Advanced Scout suit, seeing a Militia AR aiming for you is just as scary as a Codewish against the Frontline Starter Fit in a new player's hands. Apart those cases : if you find yourself one-on-one with a guy that's holding an assault rifle , you shall stand at least a chance to fight and win even if you are a newbie If you're a totally new player, and another totally new player is in a position where their weapon of choice is better suited to the situation than your own, it's reasonable to expect the other guy to win. If you're a totally new player, and you run into a high-level player with a straight-up better version of the same loadout you have, it's reasonable to expect the other guy to win. If you're a totally new player, and you run into a high-level player running the same gear you have, but with all their SP invested into the loadout, it's reasonable to expect the other guy to win. Sorry, but it is. it's not JUST about being good at dodging or the typical idea of "gun game" in DUST. Usually, a player with cheap junk gear and good positioning on the battlefield will be able to take out that "elite" guy with Prototype EVERYTHING running around slaughtering the guys who don't know how to avoid him.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2012.12.16 21:27:00 - [19] - Quote Anyanka Shadowmane wrote: I disagree. If two players of equal abilities are one on one, face to face, then the player in the better gear, with more SP in the appropriate skills should win more of,ten than not. If a new player wants to take on a Vet they need to either sneak upon them, or gang up on them. The Vet's gear and abilities shouldn't be nerfed, it's the matchmaking that needs to be taken care of. If my character's only just started and is in the starter gear, I shouldn't be surprised when I get ganked by a 5,000,000 SP player in top tier gear. However, in the finished game, I very much hope this wont be happening that often. Player skill and player's level of experience on a certain game aren't the same. Being experienced beats differences in gun skill, map knowledge, character SP, character gear - even though ALL these affect! Map knowledge is actually quite tied in with experience level, gotta admit. BTW, if character SP would be the single strongest deciding factor, that would be a problem for the game's future.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 432	Posted - 2012.12.17 06:07:00 - [20] - Quote Zynryuk Deir wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: These new players are coming up with some of the most frustrating suggestions that everyone else has already argued about till its death. For the love of all that is holy never bring up OP and Nerf ever again! What you want is an upgraded matchmaking system to pit you against players of the same level/tier gear. That way you and your noobular friends can get comfortable then move on. If we were to nerf the whole weapons system, a little fresh punk would be able to kill a pro in a stand still face-off, which would mean that as your skill progresses, the game would become more unfair. I bring up the subject , and , I don't want the game to become that easy. I would just like a newbie to have A CHANCE of win , ONE , against a pro . That's not fantascientific. Define Chance. If by chance you mean that by some extremely random/rare act of luck was on your side of a battle with an advanced player, then yes you do deserve a chance. If by chance you mean that your mortality probability is less than 85%, then you're asking too much. 85% is also a very liberal rate meaning that of 100 battles with the advanced player, you would kill them 15 times, which is way more often then one militia runner actually does. Think of how often a newbie kills the pros at other games.....not very often. Also I was only very harsh because the weapons system needs to be left alone. You will come to understand that if they ever mess with it again. Fresh views are appreciated, but they need to be neutral so that everyone's happy. As said before up there on this thread, they paid ISK for the good gear. Starting up can be frustrating, but seek the Training Ground section for tips first, then play the game through with different approaches.



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