DUST Search - Assault rifles, are OverPowered.

Sentient Archon wrote:

DEADPOOL5241 wrote:

Legionay wrote:

Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER.

I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed.

Let me guess you're the guy that likes to run in open areas, you don't like to hug walls or cover up very much do you?

AR in every single game made are ALWAYS the top weapons. Gee I wonder why the Army, Navy, Marines use them so much Roll

Also stop using the word Nerf, you nerf herder. Players like you ask for Nerfs for everything because you don't know how to play and how to actually have a gun fight.

Only way to get long range is to spec into Sharpshooter, but if you do that with most of the weapons they to will have long range.

Quick killing time.. dude all weapons spec'd into lvl 5 of that weapon, weaponry and other skills will make ALL the weapons quick kills, lets see HMG lvl 5, Mass Driver lvl 5.. heck a pistol lvl 5 with sharpshooter and weapon proficiency lvl 5 is brutal but you don't see any of us whining or making QQ threads about it..

Get good or get dead.. I think you have the later part down already Shocked

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Legionay Doomheim 39	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:18:00 - [1] - Quote Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:19:00 - [2] - Quote They're getting recoil and maybe a tiny nerf to certain weapons - but that's it.
Legionay Doomheim 39	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:23:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: They're getting recoil and maybe a tiny nerf to certain weapons - but that's it. That's it!?
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. There are several threads already dedicated to this. Look 'em up and post in them. That way I only have to destroy your logic in one or two threads.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:27:00 - [5] - Quote Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. It is an AR so it does what is meant to do.
Legionay Doomheim 39	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:27:00 - [6] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. That way I only have to destroy your logic in one or two threads. Click This
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:27:00 - [7] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. There are several threads already dedicated to this. Look 'em up and post in them. That way I only have to destroy your logic in one or two threads. May I have your attention please? This
Legionay Doomheim 39	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. It is an AR so it does what is meant to do. You could apply that logic to a weapon named "Nuke Gun" that nukes the entire map with 1 shot. "It is an NG so it does what is meant to do" That's not a reason for it not to be nerfed.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:34:00 - [9] - Quote lol @ this QQ thread
843 pano 843 Boot Camp 200	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:36:00 - [10] - Quote The key is cover. Bait them so they come in close. Then, OHK with a shotti or rip them apart with a HMG. Never, ever, ever run out in an open area, especially by yourself. You are just a big target for AR's, snipers and roaming LAV's. Weave in and out of structures and keep a wall/mountain close to one side. AR's are just fine, adapt your play style to defeat them.

NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:37:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: lol @ this QQ thread +1
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:37:00 - [12] - Quote I recommend this thread be locked
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:38:00 - [13] - Quote Legionay wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. It is an AR so it does what is meant to do. You could apply that logic to a weapon named "Nuke Gun" that nukes the entire map with 1 shot. "It is an NG so it does what is meant to do" That's not a reason for it not to be nerfed. The word say "Nuke". If the team makes enough points to earn that NUKE then why not?
Sylwester Dziewiecki Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:41:00 - [14] - Quote DUST 514 - game with countless possibilities, and one weapon that fits all circumstances. Normally we should constantly convince people on this forum that this game is easy. We do not do this, because it's a game of one weapon, one suit and one strategy(for now - hopefully something will change soon).
Legionay Doomheim 39	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:45:00 - [15] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. It is an AR so it does what is meant to do. You could apply that logic to a weapon named "Nuke Gun" that nukes the entire map with 1 shot. "It is an NG so it does what is meant to do" That's not a reason for it not to be nerfed. The word say "Nuke". If the team makes enough points to earn that NUKE then why not? because it would be overpowered and the game would lose its ability to be enjoyable.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1900	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote They have been for a very very long time now. There's a reason 9/10 times you're going to see the top K/D guys rocking their Duvolles and Geks and Gorewrecks oh my. ARs are way too easy for low skilled players to use effectively, and way too easy for high skilled players to abuse.
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote Legionay wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. It is an AR so it does what is meant to do. You could apply that logic to a weapon named "Nuke Gun" that nukes the entire map with 1 shot. "It is an NG so it does what is meant to do" That's not a reason for it not to be nerfed. The word say "Nuke". If the team makes enough points to earn that NUKE then why not? because it would be overpowered and the game would lose its ability to be enjoyable. Or would it? Kill the enemies, earn the points before they do and blow them up. The only thing that was trully OP here was the Missile launchers. Other than that everything can be tweaked here and there. As 843 Pano mentioned earlier, its up to the players to let something be OP. Try different tactics, earn & upgrade the skill book and be OP yourself. Most players in this build should have over 6 mil skill points by now, I dont expect a new comer to roll the high skill players over. not saying that it is not possible, but the player has to be tactical. Not cry over items that killed them. Someone has to earn the skill point to use a Duvole. So its not exactly his fault that he is using it and has the skill points and the ISK to do so
DEADPOOL5241 Doomheim 212	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:59:00 - [18] - Quote Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. Let me guess you're the guy that likes to run in open areas, you don't like to hug walls or cover up very much do you? AR in every single game made are ALWAYS the top weapons. Gee I wonder why the Army, Navy, Marines use them so much Also stop using the word Nerf, you nerf herder. Players like you ask for Nerfs for everything because you don't know how to play and how to actually have a gun fight. Only way to get long range is to spec into Sharpshooter, but if you do that with most of the weapons they to will have long range. Quick killing time.. dude all weapons spec'd into lvl 5 of that weapon, weaponry and other skills will make ALL the weapons quick kills, lets see HMG lvl 5, Mass Driver lvl 5.. heck a pistol lvl 5 with sharpshooter and weapon proficiency lvl 5 is brutal but you don't see any of us whining or making QQ threads about it.. Get good or get dead.. I think you have the later part down already
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:01:00 - [19] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. Let me guess you're the guy that likes to run in open areas, you don't like to hug walls or cover up very much do you? AR in every single game made are ALWAYS the top weapons. Gee I wonder why the Army, Navy, Marines use them so much Also stop using the word Nerf, you nerf herder. Players like you ask for Nerfs for everything because you don't know how to play and how to actually have a gun fight. Only way to get long range is to spec into Sharpshooter, but if you do that with most of the weapons they to will have long range. Quick killing time.. dude all weapons spec'd into lvl 5 of that weapon, weaponry and other skills will make ALL the weapons quick kills, lets see HMG lvl 5, Mass Driver lvl 5.. heck a pistol lvl 5 with sharpshooter and weapon proficiency lvl 5 is brutal but you don't see any of us whining or making QQ threads about it.. Get good or get dead.. I think you have the later part down already This +1
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. Let me guess you're the guy that likes to run in open areas, you don't like to hug walls or cover up very much do you? AR in every single game made are ALWAYS the top weapons. Gee I wonder why the Army, Navy, Marines use them so much Also stop using the word Nerf, you nerf herder. Players like you ask for Nerfs for everything because you don't know how to play and how to actually have a gun fight. Only way to get long range is to spec into Sharpshooter, but if you do that with most of the weapons they to will have long range. Quick killing time.. dude all weapons spec'd into lvl 5 of that weapon, weaponry and other skills will make ALL the weapons quick kills, lets see HMG lvl 5, Mass Driver lvl 5.. heck a pistol lvl 5 with sharpshooter and weapon proficiency lvl 5 is brutal but you don't see any of us whining or making QQ threads about it.. Get good or get dead.. I think you have the later part down already This +1 +1 LOL Btw stop shooting me while i'm capping an objective. Wait till i'm done and have a gun fight and bring the MT guns too LOL

Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:18:00 - [21] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: +1 LOL Btw stop shooting me while i'm capping an objective. Wait till i'm done and have a gun fight and bring the MT guns too LOL Meh! I am a "No-Factor" and got no gun game. The only times I can kill anyone is when they are hacking or if they are standing still or I am in my Sigaris behind the red lines or with my REs or with my proximity mines or with my shotguns or with my HMG. So im gonna wait till you start hacking to engage you LOL. Just my 0.02 Cheap Kill LOL PS: MTs are fun
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: NAV HIV wrote: +1 LOL Btw stop shooting me while i'm capping an objective. Wait till i'm done and have a gun fight and bring the MT guns too LOL Meh! I am a "No-Factor" and got no gun game. The only times I can kill anyone is when they are hacking or if they are standing still or I am in my Sigaris behind the red lines or with my REs or with my proximity mines or with my shotguns or with my HMG. So im gonna wait till you start hacking to engage you LOL. Just my 0.02 Cheap Kill LOL PS: MTs are fun Same here! No gun game! Thats why i wanted to practice and learn
Michael Cratar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2012.12.12 22:31:00 - [23] - Quote Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. Let the buthurt flow through you.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2012.12.12 22:37:00 - [24] - Quote I think they're fine but just throwing out there a possible change: More intense muzzle flash?
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2012.12.12 22:39:00 - [25] - Quote Legionay wrote: no scope wobble EVER. Falsehood is false. My scope wobbles all of the time.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.12 22:42:00 - [26] - Quote The main reason I think AR feel OP is that stacking Penalties on Mods are broken so people use Multiple Complex mods.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.12.12 22:45:00 - [27] - Quote Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote: The main reason I think AR feel OP is that stacking Penalties on Mods are broken so people use Multiple Complex mods. its this plus the no-recoil thing. having a very high ROF with the ability to put all rounds on traget have made the AR the go to weapon for nearly all ranges of combat with no downsides. when ccp adds stacking penalties and recoil things are going to be much different.
Korval Raa Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:15:00 - [28] - Quote Its taken a bit of time, but I've finally skilled my AR into something that doesn't take a clip and a half to bring someone down. I still get my A$$ handed to me by Heavies and occasionally Snipers, but I'm still trying to figure out how one guy was 1 shotting me with a scrambler pistol. AR's, Heavies, etc. have never one shotted me, but a scram pistol from quite a distance can? Eh, maybe I've been looking at the wrong weapon system.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:18:00 - [29] - Quote Korval Raa wrote: Its taken a bit of time, but I've finally skilled my AR into something that doesn't take a clip and a half to bring someone down. I still get my A$$ handed to me by Heavies and occasionally Snipers, but I'm still trying to figure out how one guy was 1 shotting me with a scrambler pistol. AR's, Heavies, etc. have never one shotted me, but a scram pistol from quite a distance can? Eh, maybe I've been looking at the wrong weapon system. Head shots!
Korval Raa Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:21:00 - [30] - Quote Sorry mate, no one is THAT lucky with headshots, and not at a distance where you only see the enemy icon. Either way it doesn't matter just pointing out that AR's are definitely not OP, just need to skill up. :)

Dissonant Zan 157	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:22:00 - [31] - Quote How many more threads will there be?
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:25:00 - [32] - Quote Dissonant Zan wrote: How many more threads will there be? They will keep making them Until something else distracts them.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:49:00 - [33] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Legionay wrote: Quite long range, quick killing time, zoomed in scope, no recoil, no scope wobble EVER. I hope these damn overpowered things get nerfed. Let me guess you're the guy that likes to run in open areas, you don't like to hug walls or cover up very much do you? AR in every single game made are ALWAYS the top weapons. Gee I wonder why the Army, Navy, Marines use them so much Also stop using the word Nerf, you nerf herder. Players like you ask for Nerfs for everything because you don't know how to play and how to actually have a gun fight. Only way to get long range is to spec into Sharpshooter, but if you do that with most of the weapons they to will have long range. Quick killing time.. dude all weapons spec'd into lvl 5 of that weapon, weaponry and other skills will make ALL the weapons quick kills, lets see HMG lvl 5, Mass Driver lvl 5.. heck a pistol lvl 5 with sharpshooter and weapon proficiency lvl 5 is brutal but you don't see any of us whining or making QQ threads about it.. Get good or get dead.. I think you have the later part down already Ha ha! Ahhhhhh...no. But to every other thing said in that post: HECK YEAH! I mean, it was spot on! By the way, thanks for reminding me of that. Well, making me type something that reminded me of it anyway. Haven't heard it in, what, three years?
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2012.12.13 00:40:00 - [34] - Quote CCP needs to make all weapons as OP as the AR then there will be balance but then others will likely just say that all the other weapons are OP because the AR doesn't perform as OP as it once did. CCP, make all weapons super efficient just like the AR is now; or I'd give the AR the benefit of attachments such as grenade launcher and reduce all the AR magazines to 30 rounds. notes: why use an SMG when the AR performs the exact same thing plus extended range and with it's high magazine count. SMG's need to excell at close range through their noticeably higher magazine counts but since the AR already has a high magazine count, the SMG is subpar at close range and mid range. HMG's aren't bad in excellent hands but they are nowhere near as easy to use as an AR. Shotguns do good work. Pistols aren't too bad in damage compared to their low magazine count. Another idea is to decrease the maximum ammo count for all weapons to make more necessity of the supply depot and nano hives. This might actually discourage camping with fewer bullets to control an objective and create more need for tactical planning though loadout usage.


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