Please don't burn me in the stake for referencing Eve News 24, but I wanted everyone to shower in the tears of these Bot running scum bags.

http://evenews24.com/2012/12/07/nosy-gamer-first-look-at-eve-botting-post-retribution-launch/

Let this be a warning to Bot users. CCP will swing the ban hammer like a drunk Thor in a bar fight if you are caught botting.

EVENews24 isn't exactly well regarded among some members of the EVE community. That said, despite it being about bots and botters it seems a relatively informative piece. Some guys go on to their forums and read the posts there for their own edification or amusement I guess. Sometimes we read things like this and get a little second hand information that seems fairly reliable as a result.

Anyway, take into account that the guys who are quoted as saying such things are bot users, and you might generally consider they have rationalized their purpose behind it. Either way, they are botters, and like the guy said, they do it in every game.

Besides that, EVE is a challenging place, and players who have devoted much time and effort actually do dominate much of the game. There is no reset, aside from Serenity, (Chinese EVE), only one server for all of North and South America, Europe, Asia, Australia, and the rest of the world, and the game has been going for 9 years + like that.

That doesn't mean you can't make your mark, and players who are new can't fit and fly ships they are trained for provided they put in a little effort. Bots are not required, and in fact damage the economy by creating an influx of what would be otherwise unavailable minerals and resources.

This effectively increases supply and results in Ore and minerals being less valuable, which means more hours--mining--are required to achieve a certain amount of profit. Granted, it also means that ships and fittings are more cheaply produced and cost less, so it sort of balances out.

What does happen though, aside from a major market shift towards botters producing the valued minerals required for manufacturing, is that it moves that supply out of players hands and into the hands of the botting accounts. Depending on the botter, this may mean a number of things, all of which will damage real players enjoyment of the game, ability to compete, etc..

Just imagine competing with a Corporation that flushes the market with cheap goods which you yourself, despite relevant assets and facilities cannot produce.

..or imagine that you are fighting someone in PvP who bots and uses the ISK generated to pay for his ships, something which would require time and effort for you to do, yet requires him nothing aside from turning on a program when he leaves for work.

Then just ask yourself who the real problem is.

Players acquire assets, resources, power and many other things in game over time. Depending on who they are and how they go about doing so, that time may give them virtually unlimited resources. That's just how things work, and it doesn't necessarily affect your game-play in EVE online as a new or even mature player.

Some have limited market influence, others attempt to control, and still others attempt to buiid even more unlimited resources. They don't all bot, and in fact, the richest and most influential of them in all likelihood never have, and probably don't have much tolerance for those that do.

What you are seeing are excuses; people who cheat need them.

EVE is hard, but it can also be easy, depending on who you know and who you are. Botters don't usually find it such as they are too willing to reach for their crutch.

For others, it's a matter of perspective: Do I have enough to make my game enjoyable? Should I try to get into a Nullsec Alliance? Is mining for me? Do I like PvP? How do I make more ISK, to pay for the style of game play that I enjoy?

All questions you need to ask if/when you start playing EVE. You can always just trial up and see what happens along the way though. That's what I did when I started back in 2008-2009. Still haven't joined a Nullsec Alliance, but I have been a few other places.

lol botters

Well the market may crash or spike depending how many get banned, will force ppl to actually take part in EVE and do something instead of leaving the comp on

The "Market" won't crash or spike, you may find a few individual items change in price slightly if there's a huge number of botters banned but in reality there's only a very small % of them in the whole player base, not enough to impact things the way you suggest.


Mining and ratting bots don't bother me at all to be honest, all it does is generate ISK for owner. Its the market bots that concern me, they have an impact on everyone.

Are you The_Orcale86?

I found the comment with the title of this thread, so I just thought....yeah.