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EnglishSnake wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

EnglishSnake wrote:

Il be in a surya this week, i have a couple of ideas but im not looking forward to it tbh, swarms will kick my arse and forges will be forges

We have a few armor tankers in SyN as u know, we make them work tbh but swarms are my worst enemy, just for the simple fact that gettin behind cover means nothing to swarms as they follow u around it.

A shield tank can still deploy solo and not have infantry cover as much but an armor tank pretty much needs infantry support
cant wait till ccp re-designs swarms to make them something that actually takes skill

sometimes CCP makes me wonder if they even play their own game with the glaring balance issues between shield and armor tanks

Skill lol

Yea once swarms stop going around corners and locking on through mountains then thats half the problem solved

If anything tho for the skill part of swarms they could make it so you have to keep lock on until the missiles hit but what happens when a tank moves through cover? they wont hit half the time if the tanker is smart

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Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES 53	Posted - 2012.12.07 21:27:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, what do? I have tested out the level 3 Active Scanner and have been expecting reds to show up but nothing happens... EDIT: Turns out the new Chromosome build took out the Active Scanners because they aren't working. Quote: Modules/Equipment: - Removed Active Scanner from game until it is fixed
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.07 21:57:00 - [2] - Quote It depends on so many variables, that unless you have lvl 5 scanners & profile analyst, expect it to only work on newer players. As most vets have a low enough dropsuit profile to go undetected. I have all the related skills at advanced lvls, & I get pretty reliable results. Just not against the higher lvl players.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.08 00:04:00 - [3] - Quote Also, though it has increased range, you still need to be relatively close for it to be effective. It's best use is to alert blueberries of the enemies position.
kellyn whiteheart ZionTCD Legacy Rising 54	Posted - 2012.12.08 00:55:00 - [4] - Quote i thought it still was bugged and didnt work properly at all...
Wussy Pillows SC Scrim Corp 13	Posted - 2012.12.08 04:31:00 - [5] - Quote Do precision enhancers modify scanners?
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden 95	Posted - 2012.12.08 08:07:00 - [6] - Quote It doesn't work properly I've tried it with some friends sometime last week 1 of them a scout the other assault and the last one was a heavy they were standing right behind a building in Ashland got no results ; had them equip a load of shield extenders (which should be increasing profile sig. AFAIK and most of the Noob players ahem 'good players' ahem use them) Still no results, had them in my. Los , no results.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES 53	Posted - 2012.12.08 09:44:00 - [7] - Quote kellyn whiteheart wrote: i thought it still was bugged and didnt work properly at all... Bhor Derri wrote: It doesn't work properly I've tried it with some friends sometime last week 1 of them a scout the other assault and the last one was a heavy they were standing right behind a building in Ashland got no results ; had them equip a load of shield extenders (which should be increasing profile sig. AFAIK and most of the Noob players ahem 'good players' ahem use them) Still no results, had them in my. Los , no results. From my tests that I've run I have also found them to be not working either. Should I file a petition? Make a thread saying it's a bug?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.08 11:40:00 - [8] - Quote vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well.....
DADDYMAN667 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 15:30:00 - [9] - Quote I raised my profile analysis to level 5, but that is not enough to use the active scanner reliably. The performance certainly improves with profile analysis enhancers and long range scanners. My long range scanning skill is lvl 2. With that said, the active scanner still has limited usefulness. 1) Moving with a tight group is a must. As many of you know, an active scan comes at the cost of using your primary weapon. So, if you're running solo you're successful active scan will show you where your killer is coming from. Yes, you can change to your rifle or throw a grenade, but that is far from ideal. 2) Defensive positions or baiting your enemies are some useful scenarios for the active scan. But you still need good teamwork as discussed in point 1. 3) Spotters are an excellent alternative to using the scanner that dramatically reduces any need to use the scanner. You could make the argument that there is one less person for a team who could otherwise hack, drop nanos, uplinks, or revive. I don't have a problem with points 1 or 2. CCP has never made it a secret that good teamwork will win a fight, plus it's good practice. As for point 3, I suggest smoke grenades to block line of sight on open maps. This will keep the active scanner competitive with spotters. Unfortunately, this comes at a great cost to snipers and tanks in Manus Peak. Give the snipers different scopes, like heat signature, but without the ability to tell red from blue dot.
Eflin Trollunge Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.12.09 16:08:00 - [10] - Quote where do I get an active scanner I could not find it in the shop

DADDYMAN667 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote Eflin Trollunge wrote: where do I get an active scanner I could not find it in the shop It's in the shop under equipment. I think there's a sub-category for scanners.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.09 16:37:00 - [12] - Quote I don't know if scanners are bugged or not. But they definitely work for me. I think people's expectations are too high. & players profile signatures vary greatly, so results are not consistent.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.09 16:46:00 - [13] - Quote As for scanners vs spotters. Unless I'm mistaken, enemies detected with scanners appear for the entire team. Where as enemies detected by spotters only appear for their squad. I have witnessed random blues in gun fights, & the red doesn't show up until they're in my LOS.
Eflin Trollunge Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:11:00 - [14] - Quote is there a way to improve passive scan?
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:38:00 - [15] - Quote Eflin Trollunge wrote: is there a way to improve passive scan? Long range & profile analyst skills. & scouts have the best default profile analyst.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:48:00 - [16] - Quote BTW, you know the scanner is working when the reds blink on/off on the mini map. Some will stay exposed & others may disappear immediately. It just depends on their signature, & your analyst skills/mods.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.12.10 00:27:00 - [17] - Quote Honestly at this point,they aren't work the SP or ISK. From what I've seen thus far,they serve no real tactical advantage.Now maybe in the future when there are more people playing they will be more effective,but right now they are junk for the most part.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.10 01:45:00 - [18] - Quote tbh since we have skills that lower ur sig the scanners should be good enough to pick up ppl with skills maxed out to lower their sig so a lvl 3 scanner would be able to still pickup ppl with those sig reducing skills maxed that would actually make them useful same with the scanners for vehicles which might need a bigger radius tbh
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2012.12.10 02:55:00 - [19] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version.
Fleen Costell'o Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 10	Posted - 2012.12.10 09:11:00 - [20] - Quote It seems to me that your only active scanner to detect BLACK OPS tanks.

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:22:00 - [21] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version. really? seems incosistent to me ill be watching the radar waiting to see if ppl show up and not sure if they show up because infantry spot them or the scanner
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:34:00 - [22] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: fred orpaul wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version. really? seems incosistent to me ill be watching the radar waiting to see if ppl show up and not sure if they show up because infantry spot them or the scanner That sucks Was going to put them on the armor tank instead of the acc mods which also do not work
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:36:00 - [23] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: fred orpaul wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version. really? seems incosistent to me ill be watching the radar waiting to see if ppl show up and not sure if they show up because infantry spot them or the scanner That sucks Was going to put them on the armor tank instead of the acc mods which also do not work armor tanking sucks ass tbh there is literally NO useful high slots other than a dcu
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:03:00 - [24] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: fred orpaul wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version. really? seems incosistent to me ill be watching the radar waiting to see if ppl show up and not sure if they show up because infantry spot them or the scanner That sucks Was going to put them on the armor tank instead of the acc mods which also do not work armor tanking sucks ass tbh there is literally NO useful high slots other than a dcu Il be in a surya this week, i have a couple of ideas but im not looking forward to it tbh, swarms will kick my arse and forges will be forges
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:24:00 - [25] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Il be in a surya this week, i have a couple of ideas but im not looking forward to it tbh, swarms will kick my arse and forges will be forges We have a few armor tankers in SyN as u know, we make them work tbh but swarms are my worst enemy, just for the simple fact that gettin behind cover means nothing to swarms as they follow u around it. A shield tank can still deploy solo and not have infantry cover as much but an armor tank pretty much needs infantry support cant wait till ccp re-designs swarms to make them something that actually takes skill sometimes CCP makes me wonder if they even play their own game with the glaring balance issues between shield and armor tanks
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:36:00 - [26] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Il be in a surya this week, i have a couple of ideas but im not looking forward to it tbh, swarms will kick my arse and forges will be forges We have a few armor tankers in SyN as u know, we make them work tbh but swarms are my worst enemy, just for the simple fact that gettin behind cover means nothing to swarms as they follow u around it. A shield tank can still deploy solo and not have infantry cover as much but an armor tank pretty much needs infantry support cant wait till ccp re-designs swarms to make them something that actually takes skill sometimes CCP makes me wonder if they even play their own game with the glaring balance issues between shield and armor tanks Skill lol Yea once swarms stop going around corners and locking on through mountains then thats half the problem solved If anything tho for the skill part of swarms they could make it so you have to keep lock on until the missiles hit but what happens when a tank moves through cover? they wont hit half the time if the tanker is smart
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:07:00 - [27] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: tbh since we have skills that lower ur sig the scanners should be good enough to pick up ppl with skills maxed out to lower their sig so a lvl 3 scanner would be able to still pickup ppl with those sig reducing skills maxed that would actually make them useful same with the scanners for vehicles which might need a bigger radius tbh Actually if you do the math. Even with analyst skills maxed, a proto scanner & complex precision enhancers stacked 3 deep. A scout, logi or assault with maxed damping skills & complex profile dampeners equipped, can still go undetected. There are 2 skills that reduce your sig, but only 1 that reduces you analyst. I have yet to test the adv & proto vehicle scanners, But they only seem to offer better range not analyst, so they aren't anymore or less effective than the infantry scanner.
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:21:00 - [28] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: fred orpaul wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: vehicle versions seem to be bugged as well..... Ive had great success with the vehicle version. not so much with infantry version. really? seems incosistent to me ill be watching the radar waiting to see if ppl show up and not sure if they show up because infantry spot them or the scanner If the detected by the scanner they will either blink solid/translucent then stay solid or appear & disappear immediately depending on their sig.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:36:00 - [29] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Il be in a surya this week, i have a couple of ideas but im not looking forward to it tbh, swarms will kick my arse and forges will be forges We have a few armor tankers in SyN as u know, we make them work tbh but swarms are my worst enemy, just for the simple fact that gettin behind cover means nothing to swarms as they follow u around it. A shield tank can still deploy solo and not have infantry cover as much but an armor tank pretty much needs infantry support cant wait till ccp re-designs swarms to make them something that actually takes skill sometimes CCP makes me wonder if they even play their own game with the glaring balance issues between shield and armor tanks Skill lol Yea once swarms stop going around corners and locking on through mountains then thats half the problem solved If anything tho for the skill part of swarms they could make it so you have to keep lock on until the missiles hit but what happens when a tank moves through cover? they wont hit half the time if the tanker is smart thats why swarms need to be faster have the user have to maintain lock but increase swarm speed it pisses me off to see these slow ass swarms lazily track me around corners and still do alot of damage Noc Tempre has a great thread up on how swarms should be based on BFBC2
DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 95	Posted - 2012.12.12 01:38:00 - [30] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: tbh since we have skills that lower ur sig the scanners should be good enough to pick up ppl with skills maxed out to lower their sig so a lvl 3 scanner would be able to still pickup ppl with those sig reducing skills maxed that would actually make them useful same with the scanners for vehicles which might need a bigger radius tbh It possible for a scout to with max dampening skills & 3 complex dampeners to get there profile to just above 11. But no way to get your analyst this low. The key is that very few if anyone will rock a proto suit with 3 dampeners. But the fact that there are 2 skills that augment dampening, but only 1 for analyst, means a stealth fit has the advantage over the scanners.



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