Simpler solution: No WPs earned, and no kills counted, while you're in the red zone.

You can still kill enemies, but you don't get credit for doing so. K/D doesn't go up, and no WP so no credit towards an Orbital Strike.

Even simpler solution, weapons only become active once you are out of the redzone. Enemies cannot kill you while in the redzone because of a shield like in the hatch on the MCC.

Even simpler solution, weapons only become active once you are out of the redzone. Enemies cannot kill you while in the redzone because of a shield like in the hatch on the MCC.

This will just feel gimmicky, and lead to the batttle happening right on the red line. it'd be more boring and one sided then now. hell look at how well fighting out from a camped mcc works out. it doesn't. nixing the rewards for killing from the red line is much better. it allows you to fight your way out but doesnt reward you for sitting still.

I doubt in the final game there will be any red line

There are times when your team is basically stuck at home in the redzone. I usually notice this when one or two nice tanks end up on the field and your team doesnt have much of a counter. At these times, I am very happy that the redlines are as they are and they have a decent amount of cover. I can fight back and get points or have a better chance to get out with a droplink. If we didnt get points while in the red or it punished us in someway, then many ppl would just leave the match or the winning side would end up with a turkey shoot like they used too a couple builds ago because they are being forced to leave the redzone.


I don't care for redzone camping too much, but I don't think punishing them is a good answer. I think a better idea is to just find a counter to redzone snipers. Maybe your own sniper or a lav with some missiles. I'm sure there are better counters but i'd prefer the redzones be left as they are.

. Then the tanks will no longer be able to fire from safety they will actually have to you know, go out and do what they were designed for, battle. .

And what is that?

Tanks are weak, AV is super strong - You cant bomb around the battlefield and soak up damage tbh since the community cried for nerfs

You complain that tanks are up in ther redline but lets not forget the community put them up ther with all the crying for nerfs

Deal with it

Until there is some sort of mobile artillery for pounding capture points, your argument is a moot point. Tanks are NOT artillery. They are suppose to assist in the capture and holding of captured points. Not hide in or very near the red zone getting cheap kills for thrills.

If players can't afford to turn a tank out every match (which, Mr Snake i'm sure you can!) without having the safety net of the redzone to run and hide in until repped then perhaps they should not bother at all.

Jus' Sayin'.

This topic has already been addressed many times. Here is one of the more thorough discussions:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=45009&find=unread

They cant assist

Not when swarms bend around everything you use as cover, not when 1 forge gun alone can destroy you or deal so much damage that the only way you can go is back and this is basic low level AV which can deal so much damage and destroy top tier tanks in a few hits if that

I can surround my tank with infantry but it would have to be mostly snipers since the majoirty of AV ppl hide in the mountains and the only way i can hit them with a tank is with a railgun because the community cried over missiles and got them nerfed, yet the railgun isnt a good CQC weapon against infantry so it makes no sense for me to support at the letter since i would need a blaster but i wouldnt be able to hit the AV guys and i cant rely on the randoms either

Catch 22

You have nerfed tanks with your constant crying that we have to pick and choose our fits, we cant change our tanks at a supply depot for a diff turret so whatever turret we pick we have to look after the tank either way since its weak, i go railgun so i can hit camping AV guys and other tanks if they turn up and the reason im up on that hill is because you put me ther

As I asked you when you were crying about this in another thread, who are these people with these magic wrap around swarms you speak of? I want one! From what I hear this glitch happens rarely at best (I have used swarms a LONG time, and it's never done it for me), so using it as a part of your main argument invalidates the majority of your entire statement.

Good tank pilots know how to avoid forge gunners. I've seen them do it. I've seen you do it. If someone has the skill to take you out with a low level forge gun, kudos to them. Your argument is basically that a low level weapon shouldn't take out a high level fit. Then how is it that I can take out a Vk.1 with a starter fit? By your logic, the militia AR is too powerful because it can drop a VK.1 in less than 2 clips. I've fired at your tanks before Snake, and with a basic forge gun it takes either really good luck, aim, and around 8 shots, or a nanohive and a lot of luck to not get shot down. You have to remember that while a forge gunner is able to shoot you from across a large portion of the map, you can do the same to him. He also has to dodge infantry, lav's, dropships and snipers, while all you have to concern yourself with is him.

As for not being able to be anti infantry when using a railgun, that's nothing but bull. If you are going to spec into tanks, then you should be smart enough to know that you need to squad with competent gunners. Use blasters for your 2 small turrets, and you have no issue with supporting the letter from an anti infantry standpoint as well as a ranged support and an AV support.

ive still got a easy way to get rid off this. No payout at all when you loose the match. Its basically the same like on corp matches. When you win you get double the money back that youve put on the table but if you loose you are broke.

And what is that?

Tanks are weak, AV is super strong - You cant bomb around the battlefield and soak up damage tbh since the community cried for nerfs

You complain that tanks are up in ther redline but lets not forget the community put them up ther with all the crying for nerfs

Deal with it

I see these swarms going around my cover every game every day and ive also used swarms and see it happen when i aim at tanks

Basic forge guns can wipe out a top tier tank in seconds tbh, ive seen it happen and its happened to me in the early days, now i drive a 2.3mil tank and am i **** going to let that get destroyed by anything let alone 1 guy and his forge but it can be easily done

Small turrets lol they are useless

Until there is some sort of mobile artillery for pounding capture points, your argument is a moot point. Tanks are NOT artillery. They are suppose to assist in the capture and holding of captured points. Not hide in or very near the red zone getting cheap kills for thrills.

If players can't afford to turn a tank out every match (which, Mr Snake i'm sure you can!) without having the safety net of the redzone to run and hide in until repped then perhaps they should not bother at all.

Jus' Sayin'.

Tanks were hiding in the redline before the nerf, even.

AV didnt got super strong forgeguns are the same since the E3 build. They had beeing nerfed only temporary to test tank vs tank fights and then went back to normal. Well except swarms they have reduced damage cause i still remember that they did 350 HP damage compared to 300 HP per missile that we have now. The balance was perfect on the E3 where you had good AV weapon damage and strong tanks. The main problem that we have now is that resistance modules have beeing toned down while AV weapons allmost remained the exact same which in my eyes is very problematic. Give tanks their resistance modules back and you will see more tanks going out to actually attack.

Simpler solution: No WPs earned, and no kills counted, while you're in the red zone.

You can still kill enemies, but you don't get credit for doing so. K/D doesn't go up, and no WP so no credit towards an Orbital Strike.

You do not deserve points for sitting in a spot where you cannot be touched but you are able to touch others. It is one thing to be safe because youre out of range of the enemy, or because you have high armor/shields. Its another thing entirely to be in a zone where you cant be touched because the game stops you. You deserve to be punished if you cannot support your team mates.

Your precious investment should be used for the good of the overall team. If you pull it out use it, if youre going to be a coward dont bother.

shall we remove high ground and ledges from the game too?

Revision due to everyones ideas.

Ok so here we go.

Behind the red line after a 25 second timer your weapons are locked. There is an impassable shield, bullet proof and vehicle proof by he enemy team. Your weapon is locked until you leave the zone and does not reset when you re enter, instead it will lock your gun while in the red zone until you respawn and the timer will reset.

Now as for when you are forced back to your redline. The yellow zone someone suggested (cant remember) i think should reduce movement speed, damage output and range of enemy weaponry and vehicles alike. However this yellow zone should only exist in a state of enemy domination i.e all objectives in enemy hands. This way there is a chance for a push back. The weaponry timer would not be active during "push back mode"

Thats the revision, a subtle punishment for cowardice and a boost for breakout. Combination of the collective thoughts of the people. Hope you like the new plan.