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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:10:00 -
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TAR + Moded Controllers is a pretty deadly combination. That will skills up and damage boosters you can bring a person down very fast. I have seen a lot of people use them modded controllers and the reason I know so is that there is a burst before I get killed. This needs to be fixed. I am not asking for a nerf. Just a way to prevent people from using modded controllers in game with a TAR. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:16:00 -
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Idiots be trolling hard today. Damage is handled server side, so if they have a quick trigger the damage will come in all at once. Nothing modded about it, just lag. If the weapon has too much DPS then the weapon is unbalanced. Witch hunts for "modded controllers" that aren't there is pointless, and ultimately impossible anyway. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:19:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Idiots be trolling hard today. Damage is handled server side, so if they have a quick trigger the damage will come in all at once. Nothing modded about it, just lag. If the weapon has too much DPS then the weapon is unbalanced. Witch hunts for "modded controllers" that aren't there is pointless, and ultimately impossible anyway.
Yet, using modded controllers is still possible. And seeing the TAC having a higher ROF in stats that most AR is still quite odd. It should be even below the breach ROF. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:31:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Idiots be trolling hard today. Damage is handled server side, so if they have a quick trigger the damage will come in all at once. Nothing modded about it, just lag. If the weapon has too much DPS then the weapon is unbalanced. Witch hunts for "modded controllers" that aren't there is pointless, and ultimately impossible anyway.
Jumpman has already acknowledged in previous posts that his "friend" uses the modded controller with TARS. With what you said that makes Jump an idiot too. WTG to confirm that
Edit: Providing the link where the great jumpman himself accepts that his friend uses modded controllers. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:57:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Idiots be trolling hard today. Damage is handled server side, so if they have a quick trigger the damage will come in all at once. Nothing modded about it, just lag. If the weapon has too much DPS then the weapon is unbalanced. Witch hunts for "modded controllers" that aren't there is pointless, and ultimately impossible anyway. Jumpman has already acknowledged in previous posts that his "friend" uses the modded controller with TARS. With what you said that makes Jump an idiot too. WTG to confirm that Edit: Providing the link where the great jumpman himself accepts that his friend uses modded controllers.
Jump is a changed man now. Stop judging him for his past! |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:08:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jump is a changed man now. Stop judging him for his past!
Why? Because almost half of the imperfects use TARs? TARs are broke and its no joke especially when you use them with modded controllers. It works. You own corp mate has accepted this.
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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:39:00 -
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As Noc said sent you are doing a witch hunt.
Are there people that use modded controls yes.
If you use a tac do you use a modded controller. No 1 out of every 100 maybe uses a modded controler with a Tac rifle.
Why do people like the tac riffle because in most games skilled players draw to the single shot weapons because the ability to obtain high dps. Usually what keeps the numbers down is not many people have the ability to pull there trigger finger very quick while also trying to keep there gun on target. But there are people that can do it.
I do agree modded controllers are weak sauce but you got to be careful on what you do to control this so you do not hurt people that do not use modded controllers.
Are tacs running the battle field. No there is only usually 1-2 tac users per battle. Which means the gun is far from OPed it only works well in the right hands. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:53:00 -
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My solution is a variable ROF on tacs. 500RPM for the first hafl second. Drops to 300rpm over the next half second. Give TAC a 5% boost to damage to compinsate. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:59:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Jump is a changed man now. Stop judging him for his past! Why? Because almost half of the imperfects use TARs? TARs are broke and its no joke especially when you use them with modded controllers. It works. You own corp mate has accepted this.
We are only good because we use TACs and modded controllers? Once ccp limits ROF on the TAC what will your excuse be for us being good then? Seems anything we use is OP to scrubs that got no game.
For the record most of of use duv and run b series suits.
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 17:04:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:We are only good
Man! You imperfects are so full of yourselves ! Where in my post do I say that the imperfects are good? Once yet again you confuse me with the peeps who think you are good.
What I am talking about is TARs + Modded Controllers being deadly. Thats it. I never ever said Imperfects are good and will never ever say that that The Imperfects are good. So get of your high horse and stick to topic please.
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 17:06:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:As Noc said sent you are doing a witch hunt.
Are there people that use modded controls yes.
Dude! My post talks about TARs and Modded Controllers being deadly. Its a feedback. Its up to CCP whether they want to fix this or not. If they dont fix, I am just gonna get my Light Weapon sharpshooter to level 5, head out to amazon and get myself a modded controller and start spamming the TARs like crazy.
PS: Noc now I have 2 of your corp mates saying people use modded controllers. Still think Im trolling . Get gun game son. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2048
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Posted - 2012.12.03 17:18:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:As Noc said sent you are doing a witch hunt.
Are there people that use modded controls yes.
Dude! My post talks about TARs and Modded Controllers being deadly. Its a feedback. Its up to CCP whether they want to fix this or not. If they dont fix, I am just gonna get my Light Weapon sharpshooter to level 5, head out to amazon and get myself a modded controller and start spamming the TARs like crazy. PS: Noc now I have 2 of your corp mates saying people use modded controllers. Still think Im trolling . Get gun game son. Sentient Archon get 'em |
ImMortal SoLDieR X
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:28:00 -
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Not trying to step deep into this chasm, so I will tread lightly.... If you can buy a turbo controller from the local game store and u havent altered the one that comes with the ps3, Then why should someone beef about it.
PPL here use mouse and keyboard I use sticks should i beef about that Hell NO !!!!
Just go buy 1 !!!!!!!
Some of you have already spent HUNDREDS of real world dollars on this beta whats 40 bucks to even the feild for yourself. When u see a guy you suspect of having 1, use yours... then if you kill him turn your turbo off so you can be fair.
This game is BRUTAL we all know this. But cmon nerf everything because it kills you hahahahahahaha lets nerf the ASSAULT RIFLE so that there is no mid range wepon. Oh make the clip smaller while your at it. Sounds real good what would i use then a SCRAMBLER PISTOL, a SMG? wtf Grow a pair !!!!. We dont have a BAR anymore. I wont use that crap right now it got nerfed not tweaked.
For the record the tanks WERE OP last build.
Modded is different form straight purchased out the box isnt it........?
Someone had a post called, TWEAK VS NERF KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. Be careful what you ask for you just might get it. Find that post and read it.
I cant go to the club and party becuz I drive a Ford Focus, and there is this guy that pulls up in front with an Aston Martin. I wont bag any honeys so pls stop making the Aston Martin. PLZ NERF THE ASTON MARTIN SO I CAN GET A HONEY!!! Sound familiar with a twist huh?
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:42:00 -
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as i stated it before:" max ROF at around 400-500 rounds per minute". On COD if you use a modded controller and you oversample the rate off fire the gun wil shot much slower instead. So basically when your modded controller goes over like 789 rounds per minute the weapon you wield will only shot at 200 rounds per minute. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:11:00 -
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The OP's point is that CCP designed the TAC AR as a high DPS weapon and limited it to single shot per trigger pull to balance it out. Non-standard controllers bypass the limitation and result in an OP weapon.
CCP opened the door to this exploit by giving it an extremely hight RoF, and human nature guarantees that some people will take advantage of it.
So CCP can do one of three things:
1) Ignore the issue and let those with extra bucks P2W. 2) Limit the RoF in some way, either by lowering the base RoF or detecting a modded controller (perhaps not easy to do with network lag) leading to an arms race in modding vs. detection. 3) Remove the gun from the market
It would be a shame to lose the gun. It would also be a shame to lose the challenge of using a single shot weapon.
It's odd that a single shot weapon has a higher RoF than one specifically designed to run full auto. My take is that CCP just threw a high number on it thinking that it didn't matter since it was one pull, one shot and they didn't want to penalize anyone who is naturally fast. If I had a vote I would go for simply lowering the base RoF to a level far enough below the full auto model that it would be balanced with a modded controller.
Lore wise it doesn't make sense that a merc can mod his single shot weapon to fire full auto faster than a rifle designed to do so in the first place. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:39:00 -
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Tac Rifles fail at close range, its the counter. An HMG or anything like that pwns anyone with a tac rifle. Tac rifles are hard to use, you don't see alot of people with them. I think it is fine the way it is. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:54:00 -
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Tac AR dominates with a modded controller on all ranges even up close. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:06:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:Tac Rifles fail at close range, its the counter. An HMG or anything like that pwns anyone with a tac rifle. Tac rifles are hard to use, you don't see alot of people with them. I think it is fine the way it is.
You really think that? Common, High damage per shot and high rate of fire is gaurrenteed OP. A heavy can hardly comete with a Base of 611 damage per second. With damage mods that goes up to 1131 in one second. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:24:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:Tac Rifles fail at close range, its the counter. An HMG or anything like that pwns anyone with a tac rifle. Tac rifles are hard to use, you don't see alot of people with them. I think it is fine the way it is.
This;- believe or not is actually true. If you do get real close to a TAR;- its a fail. But in most cases people using TARs stay far far away. All the times I have killed the God/King and his TAR using buddies is when I got real close to them and shot them with my SMG or HMG. However if they do get a single (modded controller) shot off and it connects you end up dead.
TAR by design is not suited for CQC but does quite a lot of damage with mods and modded controllers in CQC situations.
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:21:00 -
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Reimus Klinsman wrote:My solution is a variable ROF on tacs. 500RPM for the first hafl second. Drops to 300rpm over the next half second. Give TAC a 5% boost to damage to compinsate. please shut up dude
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:24:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:Tac Rifles fail at close range, its the counter. An HMG or anything like that pwns anyone with a tac rifle. Tac rifles are hard to use, you don't see alot of people with them. I think it is fine the way it is. Im sure you would feel that way.Your full auto CODE all the time ...love how you guys say it takes skill.Tell me why does it have the same ROF as the Duvall with higher DPS .....you think you're so smart and so skilled.
DROP THE NERF HAMMER ON THE TAC'S ROF
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ImMortal SoLDieR X
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:42:00 -
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The TAC is one shot..............Its not meant for close range thats why you have an smg or scrambler. Nerf the tac it willl not be used. we will have another wasted wepon like the BAR. The individual using it is giving up something to use it...it shoots as fast as u can push the button. Any decrease in ROF you will not be able to effectively kill clones... Use theTAC and see for yourself b4 u jump on this nerf band wagon like it really feasable to decrease the ROF of this weapon.
Risk / Reward. ALWAYS REMEBER THAT IN DUST 514
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:53:00 -
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ImMortal SoLDieR X wrote:Not trying to step deep into this chasm, so I will tread lightly.... If you can buy a turbo controller from the local game store and u havent altered the one that comes with the ps3, Then why should someone beef about it. PPL here use mouse and keyboard I use sticks should i beef about that Hell NO !!!! Just go buy 1 !!!!!!! Some of you have already spent HUNDREDS of real world dollars on this beta whats 40 bucks to even the feild for yourself. When u see a guy you suspect of having 1, use yours... then if you kill him turn your turbo off so you can be fair. This game is BRUTAL we all know this. But cmon nerf everything because it kills you hahahahahahaha lets nerf the ASSAULT RIFLE so that there is no mid range wepon. Oh make the clip smaller while your at it. Sounds real good what would i use then a SCRAMBLER PISTOL, a SMG? wtf Grow a pair !!!!. We dont have a BAR anymore. I wont use that crap right now it got nerfed not tweaked. For the record the tanks WERE OP last build. Modded is different form straight purchased out the box isnt it........? Someone had a post called, TWEAK VS NERF KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. Be careful what you ask for you just might get it. Find that post and read it. I cant go to the club and party becuz I drive a Ford Focus, and there is this guy that pulls up in front with an Aston Martin. I wont bag any honeys so pls stop making the Aston Martin. PLZ NERF THE ASTON MARTIN SO I CAN GET A HONEY!!! Sound familiar with a twist huh? END TRANSMISSION.................... Translation^ I use i modded controller you should too....we no gun game exploiting scrubs are gonna get the TACS nerfed because we exploit them and when they do itll be our faults.......END OF LINE |
ImMortal SoLDieR X
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:55:00 -
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JERK ( translation ........the poster directly above me) I have never purchased or used a modded controller!!!! MIND YOUR MANNERS, but i do use the TAC and its hard enuff to get kills as it is with this wepon. A NERF MAKES IT USELESS FOR THE NORMAL PERSON>!!!!! but if i did use that type of controller i would have np saying so !!!!
READING COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:11:00 -
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Make it overheat like the HMG does. Back to Ni no Kuni. |
Dissonant Zan
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:13:00 -
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Sound like there is doubt on how fast some people can spam the trigger |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:13:00 -
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ImMortal SoLDieR X wrote: Risk / Reward. ALWAYS REMEBER THAT IN DUST 514
that is the most untrue statement i have ever seen |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:20:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Idiots be trolling hard today. Damage is handled server side, so if they have a quick trigger the damage will come in all at once. Nothing modded about it, just lag. If the weapon has too much DPS then the weapon is unbalanced. Witch hunts for "modded controllers" that aren't there is pointless, and ultimately impossible anyway.
Every single build theres GLITCHERS looking for something OP to abuse: Swarms, remote explosives, repair tools/ps strikes, turret damage, etc.
Tac rifle single shot only??? LOL!!!
Seen plenty of folks doing this glitch:
Datel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL9lsH7MbC4
Shakes head and goes back to playing Borderlands 2. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:24:00 -
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Dissonant Zan wrote:Sound like there is doubt on how fast some people can spam the trigger
I wonder if the Scrambler Assault Rifle is going to be "single shot" ??
Hmmm tempted to try this on "single shot" sniper rifles.?
Nah!!! I like my militia Assault rifle. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
294
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:03:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:
Ok. I will agree with you on the basis that CCP unnerf everything and bring things back to the good old days. Bring back the old tanks and the dropships. Bring back the old SLs. Bring back the Stromberry Rodden AR. Buff up the breaches.
Let people focus on CORP and CORP battles.
I am telling you, FPS wannabes will always be dominated by the pros and will always ask for nerfs because they got no gun game. The difference between wannabes and the pros is that the pros adapt.
The best example is Noc. Look at him. In the previous builds he was a tank driver and was good at it. Now tanks and rails are overnerfed and whats does he do;- fly around in a dropship helping his corp pwn noobs and pros alike.
A noobs zone is required for this reason. Cos no matter what noobs cant and will not adapt. They will want anything that kills them nerfed.
FT noobs and randoms.
Hmmmm ahhh explains this whole thread. :) |
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:12:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:
Ok. I will agree with you on the basis that CCP unnerf everything and bring things back to the good old days. Bring back the old tanks and the dropships. Bring back the old SLs. Bring back the Stromberry Rodden AR. Buff up the breaches.
Let people focus on CORP and CORP battles.
I am telling you, FPS wannabes will always be dominated by the pros and will always ask for nerfs because they got no gun game. The difference between wannabes and the pros is that the pros adapt.
The best example is Noc. Look at him. In the previous builds he was a tank driver and was good at it. Now tanks and rails are overnerfed and whats does he do;- fly around in a dropship helping his cornp pwn noobs and pros alike.
A noobs zone is required for this reason. Cos no matter what noobs cant and will not adapt. They will want anything that kills them nerfed.
FT noobs and randoms.
Hmmmm ahhh explains this whole thread. :)
And pray tell what does this have to do with fixing TARs and Modden Controllers? Read my main post son. It clearly says I am not asking for a nerf.
And as far as Noc is concerned he still needs ..... |
Dissonant Zan
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:19:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Dissonant Zan wrote:Sound like there is doubt on how fast some people can spam the trigger I wonder if the Scrambler Assault Rifle is going to be "single shot" ?? Hmmm tempted to try this on "single shot" sniper rifles.? Nah!!! I like my militia Assault rifle. I'm going to see what the scrambler rifle is all about when it's released, I have high expectations for it |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
653
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Posted - 2012.12.04 06:34:00 -
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Nerf the TAR. Could care less about it, it's all about the Duvolle.
Can't do anything about modded controllers, unless CCP becomes CCCP and goes door to door taking them away from crying nerds.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.04 08:51:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: Nerf the TAR. Could care less about it, it's all about the Duvolle.
Can't do anything about modded controllers, unless CCP becomes CCCP and goes door to door taking them away from crying nerds.
Capping the firing rate at a lower level would be a counter to modded controllers. Having a good modded controller will allow a player to just hold the fire button down with a "turbo" function enabled, and the game will receive perfectly-timed "fire" commands from the controller, allowing the weapon to fie at its maximum RoF without the player needing to actually have any skill at managing the fire rate. Another good counter would be to increase the recoil from each shot, so firing at max speed means you lose accuracy. That way, players will be able to set their turbo function to different levels for different situations, OR if you're actually good, you can just alter the speed of your firing manually to control the balance between firing rate and accuracy. Modded controllers will only be useful if you know the right balance between speed and precision to suit your playstyle.
TL;DR: Yes, modded controllers can be a problem. No, they aren't common. Yes, there IS plenty that can be done to reduce the value of using them instead of normal controllers. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
443
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Posted - 2012.12.04 11:57:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:Tac Rifles fail at close range, its the counter. An HMG or anything like that pwns anyone with a tac rifle. Tac rifles are hard to use, you don't see alot of people with them. I think it is fine the way it is. This;- believe or not is actually true. If you do get real close to a TAR;- its a fail. But in most cases people using TARs stay far far away. All the times I have killed the God/King and his TAR using buddies is when I got real close to them and shot them with my SMG or HMG. However if they do get a single (modded controller) shot off and it connects you end up dead. TAR by design is not suited for CQC but does quite a lot of damage with mods and modded controllers in CQC situations. Edit: Removed names
If that King is me you're reffering too, (I can't remember seing any other King-something player in this Beta) I can assure you that i've never had a modded controller.
I've stopped using the codewish, mainly because I'm too aggressiv and its really not that good in cqc. When I was at my best, I could drop a fatsuit in a cuple of seconds.
Modded controller or not, the gun should get a nerf to ROF (to about 400...?) and a 90/13 equipment cost, then we'd see how many of the very skilled players would continue to use it.
(BTW, in my personal honest opinion, it should get a major nerf in ROF and a buff to dammage.) Perhaps a +20% damage buff and a ROF of around 200? It would act as an assaultsniper, which is normally a very fun gun to use in any game. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:50:00 -
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I had thought of the modded controller issue once I saw the damage and rof were both higher. Many do just have a fast trigger finger though. I can fire it faster then the breach ar, but not at the maximum a mod user could do.
Maybe have the rate of fire decrease slightly each consecutive shot and jam if it fires to fast? A good player could adapt to this easily, and the finger naturally losses a little speed. This wouldn't prevent modded controllers, but would stop off the shelf ones and make the people that do make them need to use complex integrated timing circuits or programmable micro-controllers.
For people that think a trigger can't be pulled that fast some examples from paintball markers. 300 trigger pulls per minute to activate full-auto function on ramping gun 480 balls per minute gravity feed, people upgrade to a power feed so a semi-auto gun can fire faster then 480rpm 600-720 rpm is about limit most people can do in short burst. 900 rpm is limit placed by several organizations for tournaments. 1200 rpm is claimed by some professionals, but not often achieved when tested.
Personally, I like the range of the tac and would still use it even if damage per second was reduced to breach levels. The breach was over nerfed by the way, damage per shot increased to match tac ar would be nice.
The kick does increase with modded controller, based off last builds glitch that made them full-auto. It was hard to keep it on target and it wasted ammo, but was still over powered.
Maybe make tac ar rate of fire decay from 800rpm to 480rpm over 24 rounds, and jam if fired to fast? This would make the max rate of fire out of reach of most and make it hard to use a modded controller with it. They would have to make short high damage bursts or set the controller at a rate lower then what is done manually by good players. A reload would clear the jam and a pause in firing would reset the max rate of fire decay.
As an alternate, it could start to over heat if it fires faster then the breach ar, overheating at 12 rounds at max rate of fire. This would make it hard to use with max rate of fire modded controller, but heat build up would be easily manged by good player making aimed shots. |
ImMortal SoLDieR X
RestlessSpirits
41
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:51:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:ImMortal SoLDieR X wrote: Risk / Reward. ALWAYS REMEBER THAT IN DUST 514
that is the most untrue statement i have ever seen
Dude are you calling me a liar????? Risk / Reward is what DUST 514 is all about !!!!!!!
You want sheilds you gotta give up dmg.
You want a character that can tank you gotta give up speed and mobility.
You want lower scan signal and more dmg give up sheilds.
I dont think you really see how this works here. If my comment was the most untrue statement you have ever heard maybe you should re-read your own post.
Its kinda funny that you Sir, have written the most untrue statement that I have seen here posted to this date and I AM, calling you a liar.
STICK A FORK IN THIS GUY HE IS DONE !!!!!!!!!.
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