DUST Search - Did you really make it possible to play with mouse and gamepad in the same match...

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

OK, once again...

I've used BOTH control options on a fairly regular basis over many years, both in DUST and other FPS games (with experience going back as far as Wolfenstein 3D and Doom).

The single core advantage to KB/M control that COULD be "unbalanced" against the sixaxis controller on PS3 is one which HAS BEEN ELIMINATED IN DUST.

With almost all current-gen PC FPS games, and with the majority of mouse-controlled FPS games in the past (but, contrary to some claims, NOT all such games), using the mouse gives you greater precision when aiming AS WELL AS letting you spin to any facing near-instantly. If you're attacked from behind in, for example, Unreal Tournament, and you're using KB/M controls on PC, you can ALMOST INSTANTLY turn to face the target, and slow down your movement to precisely line up your shot. Conversely, the console player has to turn slowly over the course of a whole second, OR sacrifice most of the potential for precision aim in exchange for a higher turning rate.

Mouse control can give players the best of both worlds, while a gamepad requires a balance between the two extremes.

In the aforementioned Unreal Tournament, there was one game which shipped with PC/PS3 cross-compatibility. PC gamers dominated, because when a console player got the jump on a PC gamer from behind, all they got was the first shot, then the enemy was facing them. If the PC player got behind a console guy, he was dead before he could turn around. There was Shadowrun, a shooter/RPG hybrid, with cross-platform play between PC and XBox, and the same problems arose.

DUST doesn't have the same problem. Here, KB/M players HAVE THE SAME TURNING SPEED CAP AS SIXAXIS USERS. You can't out-turn someone just because you have the "pay to win" control option (which you can easily pick up for $10, by the way).

I've played DUST using both KB/M controls and the sixaxis, and I'm more comfortable with the sixaxis, and unlike EVERY OTHER SHOOTER I'VE PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF MULTIPLATFORM GAMES, there isn't a distinct advantage to using the keyboard and mouse instead of the standard controller that comes with the console.

Both sides have about equal advantages and disadvantages in DUST. That isn't the same for any other game I've played, because I haven't played another game with a capped turning speed that wasn't PC exclusive with no gamepad support.


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Stinker Butt Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.12.02 13:30:00 - [1] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: OK, once again... I've used BOTH control options on a fairly regular basis over many years, both in DUST and other FPS games (with experience going back as far as Wolfenstein 3D and Doom). The single core advantage to KB/M control that COULD be "unbalanced" against the sixaxis controller on PS3 is one which HAS BEEN ELIMINATED IN DUST. With almost all current-gen PC FPS games, and with the majority of mouse-controlled FPS games in the past (but, contrary to some claims, NOT all such games), using the mouse gives you greater precision when aiming AS WELL AS letting you spin to any facing near-instantly. If you're attacked from behind in, for example, Unreal Tournament, and you're using KB/M controls on PC, you can ALMOST INSTANTLY turn to face the target, and slow down your movement to precisely line up your shot. Conversely, the console player has to turn slowly over the course of a whole second, OR sacrifice most of the potential for precision aim in exchange for a higher turning rate. Mouse control can give players the best of both worlds, while a gamepad requires a balance between the two extremes. In the aforementioned Unreal Tournament, there was one game which shipped with PC/PS3 cross-compatibility. PC gamers dominated, because when a console player got the jump on a PC gamer from behind, all they got was the first shot, then the enemy was facing them. If the PC player got behind a console guy, he was dead before he could turn around. There was Shadowrun, a shooter/RPG hybrid, with cross-platform play between PC and XBox, and the same problems arose. DUST doesn't have the same problem. Here, KB/M players HAVE THE SAME TURNING SPEED CAP AS SIXAXIS USERS. You can't out-turn someone just because you have the "pay to win" control option (which you can easily pick up for $10, by the way). I've played DUST using both KB/M controls and the sixaxis, and I'm more comfortable with the sixaxis, and unlike EVERY OTHER SHOOTER I'VE PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF MULTIPLATFORM GAMES, there isn't a distinct advantage to using the keyboard and mouse instead of the standard controller that comes with the console. Both sides have about equal advantages and disadvantages in DUST. That isn't the same for any other game I've played, because I haven't played another game with a capped turning speed that wasn't PC exclusive with no gamepad support. On this current build you can turn extremely fast using a mouse, even if you're a heavy. This is a dramatic change from the last build and should be fixed for balance. Move is still very buggy right now. I use it almost exclusively, but I know the limits.