DUST Search - cheat-proof EX system for repairing (Request)

xAckie wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

xAckie wrote:

DarkShadowFox wrote:

its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o

your right I suppose in that I could create a dummy corp and then me and my corp could just boost and boost in private by creating contracts between each other.

guess the way round that is not to allow repairs give wp in corp battles. in these games people will care less about wp or their deaths etc, more about winning, so it wont matter if WP earning is turned off.

Using that method you can farm SP no matter what the WP mechanic is or what it's attached to.
Hack objectives back and fourth.
Stand in lines in stater fits and kill each other (but make sure at least 4 people are involved in every kill)
Revive the guy in the starter fit when he falls, be sure all of this happens within the range of a squad order for both corps in the battle.

To prevent the type of SP farming you describe one would have to suspend all War Points of all types during Crop battles (something CCP has talked about doing for this very reason... the response was, well it involved a couple letters usually followed by "U").

As far as I know the plan is to only award skill points for the random matches in High Sec. Which makes sense as thus far I've encountered no other method by which CCP can prevent opposing friendly corps from farming SP/WP/ISK as much as they want.

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Cross

thanks for info. That plan by CCP makes sense. And allows repairing for wp due to enemy damage be implemented.

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Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.11.28 19:27:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, I have an idea for how to fix the repair system :) First off, I miss getting XP for repairing things. I've always like playing as the helpful little support character sometimes, and I miss back in the earlier versions when there was some selfish motivation for random people to help each other. Now I understand that CCP eventually had to remove the XP bonus for repairing things because a few lazy people were ruining games by damaging a vehicle and repairing it over and over again to farm XP, but people just don't ever seem to help each other anymore without this extra motivator. To remedy this, I'd like to suggest that CCP add a system where, after you do a certain amount of repairs to something, you receive a small amount of XP for every kill that person gets within the next 10-40 seconds or so (essentially like an assist). This could also apply to vehicles and such. With this system, it would be impossible for people to farm XP far away from the enemy lines, while at the same time it would give the rest of us some incentive so heal each other on the front lines. This would help restore the natural, sybiotic relationship between "healers" and "heavies", adding depth to player interactions all the while. What do you guys think about this? All feedback will be appreciated :)
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.11.28 23:30:00 - [2] - Quote Simple answer to SP farming and WP farming is to make all repairs due to friendly damage/self damage not award WP/SP. But this could work, also.
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2012.11.29 00:01:00 - [3] - Quote Allow no repairs to be done past the opposing teams redline.That means you would have to be in bounds where the enemy team could get to you.I personally would pick up a sniper rifle and shoot any one hiding and repping a vehicle.Make LAV's not frre anymore and you have someone siting back "swarming" that persons LAV .That would get expensive .Those 2 things would stop that from happening.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.11.29 01:27:00 - [4] - Quote Please review "Aggression - A more active view of combat & preventing SP farming"
HECATONCHIRES GYGES Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2012.11.29 01:50:00 - [5] - Quote Longshot Ravenwood wrote: Please review "Aggression - A more active view of combat & preventing SP farming" To agressive of a game mechanic to implement at this late state of the game...in short thatll never happen imo.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.29 04:44:00 - [6] - Quote I like that ideo OP, makes good sense to me +1.
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.11.29 05:20:00 - [7] - Quote Bumping in the hopes that a dev might see this :)
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.29 05:27:00 - [8] - Quote The basic concept of the OP seems sound, fine tuning the time span would be key of course so as not to punish players who wisely withdraw from combat to repair. Also while this would certainly be an improvement over the current iteration (i.e. hotfix, no WP awarded) I think to be truly functional it would have to be set up more like the squad leader commission than an assist because not all players going to be focusing on landing the final killing blow so any WP awards in that time would need to be covered. For more detailed ideas and suggestions on how to fix both the Repair Tool and the Farming issue see The Yellow Zone A Injector and Repper solution for LogiBros Cheers, Cross
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.29 07:22:00 - [9] - Quote This also seems similar to the "pilot commission" suggestion, imo.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.11.29 13:48:00 - [10] - Quote I kinda like this idea. To me it's not really an anti-exploit thing as CCP probably has something planned to avoid this. But your suggestion would be a nice addition to incentive people in playing medic\repair role. Like Garret said, it's very similar to the kind of mechanic he and i have in mind for pilot love.

xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.11.29 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Simple answer to SP farming and WP farming is to make all repairs due to friendly damage/self damage not award WP/SP. But this could work, also. think this is the easiest/ most straight forward way to implement the repair system. No idea why it wasn't doesn't in the first place. Would have stopped dead the QQ that occurred and get people to use the repair tool in this build.
SoulRipper Cybran Wraith Shadow Guards 8	Posted - 2012.11.29 17:23:00 - [12] - Quote +1 xAckie it should have been done earlier.
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.11.29 17:35:00 - [13] - Quote its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.11.30 09:42:00 - [14] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o your right I suppose in that I could create a dummy corp and then me and my corp could just boost and boost in private by creating contracts between each other. guess the way round that is not to allow repairs give wp in corp battles. in these games people will care less about wp or their deaths etc, more about winning, so it wont matter if WP earning is turned off.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:08:00 - [15] - Quote xAckie wrote: DarkShadowFox wrote: its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o your right I suppose in that I could create a dummy corp and then me and my corp could just boost and boost in private by creating contracts between each other. guess the way round that is not to allow repairs give wp in corp battles. in these games people will care less about wp or their deaths etc, more about winning, so it wont matter if WP earning is turned off. Using that method you can farm SP no matter what the WP mechanic is or what it's attached to. Hack objectives back and fourth. Stand in lines in stater fits and kill each other (but make sure at least 4 people are involved in every kill) Revive the guy in the starter fit when he falls, be sure all of this happens within the range of a squad order for both corps in the battle. To prevent the type of SP farming you describe one would have to suspend all War Points of all types during Crop battles (something CCP has talked about doing for this very reason... the response was, well it involved a couple letters usually followed by "U"). As far as I know the plan is to only award skill points for the random matches in High Sec. Which makes sense as thus far I've encountered no other method by which CCP can prevent opposing friendly corps from farming SP/WP/ISK as much as they want. 0.02 ISK Cross
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:15:00 - [16] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: xAckie wrote: DarkShadowFox wrote: its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o your right I suppose in that I could create a dummy corp and then me and my corp could just boost and boost in private by creating contracts between each other. guess the way round that is not to allow repairs give wp in corp battles. in these games people will care less about wp or their deaths etc, more about winning, so it wont matter if WP earning is turned off. Using that method you can farm SP no matter what the WP mechanic is or what it's attached to. Hack objectives back and fourth. Stand in lines in stater fits and kill each other (but make sure at least 4 people are involved in every kill) Revive the guy in the starter fit when he falls, be sure all of this happens within the range of a squad order for both corps in the battle. To prevent the type of SP farming you describe one would have to suspend all War Points of all types during Crop battles (something CCP has talked about doing for this very reason... the response was, well it involved a couple letters usually followed by "U"). As far as I know the plan is to only award skill points for the random matches in High Sec. Which makes sense as thus far I've encountered no other method by which CCP can prevent opposing friendly corps from farming SP/WP/ISK as much as they want. 0.02 ISK Cross thanks for info. That plan by CCP makes sense. And allows repairing for wp due to enemy damage be implemented.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:33:00 - [17] - Quote xAckie wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Simple answer to SP farming and WP farming is to make all repairs due to friendly damage/self damage not award WP/SP. But this could work, also. think this is the easiest/ most straight forward way to implement the repair system. No idea why it wasn't doesn't in the first place. Would have stopped dead the QQ that occurred and get people to use the repair tool in this build. Making the game track the source of every point of damage dealt at all times isn't as simple as you'd think.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:44:00 - [18] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: xAckie wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Simple answer to SP farming and WP farming is to make all repairs due to friendly damage/self damage not award WP/SP. But this could work, also. think this is the easiest/ most straight forward way to implement the repair system. No idea why it wasn't doesn't in the first place. Would have stopped dead the QQ that occurred and get people to use the repair tool in this build. Making the game track the source of every point of damage dealt at all times isn't as simple as you'd think. This isn't meant come off as being rude, but that isn't the point. Other games do it. CCP needs to implement it to make it work. Coding this game more generally isn't easy / simple either.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:52:00 - [19] - Quote xAckie wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: xAckie wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Simple answer to SP farming and WP farming is to make all repairs due to friendly damage/self damage not award WP/SP. But this could work, also. think this is the easiest/ most straight forward way to implement the repair system. No idea why it wasn't doesn't in the first place. Would have stopped dead the QQ that occurred and get people to use the repair tool in this build. Making the game track the source of every point of damage dealt at all times isn't as simple as you'd think. This isn't meant come off as being rude, but that isn't the point. Other games do it. CCP needs to implement it to make it work. Coding this game more generally isn't easy / simple either. Name one current-gen shooter that fits the following criteria: 1. Damage doesn't auto-regen as standard. This can either be for infantry (health) or vehicles (armour) 2. Players can heal others, and are awarded some kind of "points" for doing so. 3. There are ways to inflict damage on yourself or your teammates (friendly fire or crash/fall damage). 4. Healing a wounded friendly after self-inflicted or friendly fire damage isn't rewarded. I can't think of any that I've played, or watched anyone else play.
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 73	Posted - 2012.12.01 00:37:00 - [20] - Quote xAckie wrote: Cross Atu wrote: xAckie wrote: DarkShadowFox wrote: its funny how people want Sp/Wp back for the repair tool x3 Understand it gets people to use it, but their is not a fesable way to work around people just crashing into things.. o3o your right I suppose in that I could create a dummy corp and then me and my corp could just boost and boost in private by creating contracts between each other. guess the way round that is not to allow repairs give wp in corp battles. in these games people will care less about wp or their deaths etc, more about winning, so it wont matter if WP earning is turned off. Using that method you can farm SP no matter what the WP mechanic is or what it's attached to. Hack objectives back and fourth. Stand in lines in stater fits and kill each other (but make sure at least 4 people are involved in every kill) Revive the guy in the starter fit when he falls, be sure all of this happens within the range of a squad order for both corps in the battle. To prevent the type of SP farming you describe one would have to suspend all War Points of all types during Crop battles (something CCP has talked about doing for this very reason... the response was, well it involved a couple letters usually followed by "U"). As far as I know the plan is to only award skill points for the random matches in High Sec. Which makes sense as thus far I've encountered no other method by which CCP can prevent opposing friendly corps from farming SP/WP/ISK as much as they want. 0.02 ISK Cross thanks for info. That plan by CCP makes sense. And allows repairing for wp due to enemy damage be implemented. they could also just make SP levels independent of battle performance and be based more on seniority, as I believe they are in EVE. This wouldn't be as neat as being able to train, but it would make SP cheats impossible. Besides, I find that the best way to earn SP is to just buy a passive booster and go play something else :)



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