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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.28 08:58:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Heavies have some fairly obvious flaws.
Shields may be strong, but they're VERY slow recharging. Even a well-buffed Heavy will regain shields slower than an un-modded Militia Assault. Wear them down, use your superior shield regen by taking cover when your shield is low, reload and recharge, then pop out again.
HMGs have shorter effective range than ARs, so getting close ISN'T a good idea with that weapon. If you can't outrun them, you're running the wrong way. Don't run directly AWAY when you're close, run to COVER, and HIDE. They might get annoyed at you being a "coward" but they'll still hide from tanks and think it's fair enough. Also, sprinting PAST an enemy while in really close range can keep you out of their firing arc and give you time to break line of sight and recover.
Meh, there's a few problems with all this.
1) HMG received a massive range boost and they're not as bothered mid-range as they're supposed to.
2) HMG are supposed to get accurate over time when firing them. Atm, even first bullets hits every time, even at mid-range. Result, i dont see any HMG over-heat as there's no need to use the accuracy gain over-time.
3) Difference in speed between assault and heavies is now perfectly ridiculous since the movement nerf. I really dont feel their heaviness when fighting them anymore. Especially as a lot of Heavies pretty use T2 variant.
4) The slow turning speed of heavies, supposed to give a chance even at close range to very mobile units is a MYTH.
5) The current lag in games is simply awfull (unrelated but felt like sayin it anyway) |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:40:00 -
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Here is something interesting than many of the ones defending HMG\Heavies probably ignore 
Heavy Machine Gun
Max Range: 59m
Optimal Range: 1 - 34m
Meta Level: 1
Assault Heavy Machine Gun
Max Range: 80m
Optimal Range: 1 - 49m
Meta Level: 2
Burst Heavy Machine Gun
Max Range: 59m
Optimal Range: 1 - 36m
Meta Level: 2
MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun
Max Range: 62m
Optimal Range: 1 - 38m
Meta Level: 5
'Broadside' MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun
Max Range: 66m
Optimal Range: 1 - 40m
Meta Level: 7
Those range are measure without sharpshooting skills. And optimal range of ANY HMG is better than most ARs. Max Range as well. Now, tell me if this makes sense ? To me it doesnt. HMG are a spread weapon.
They're supposed to be used in short range to spray over a kinda wide area and those HMGs in DUST have the perk to become more and more accurate. Their damage are fine, they SHOULD mow down people stuck in it for too long.
But why this damn long range ? When i see in comparison the range of SMG it just makes me sick.
On Heavies suit, they should be what they truly are. Damn freakin slow, damn freakin tough. I'd say MORE HP, Less MOVEMENT.
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Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:49:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Heavies are easy to deal with tbqh
HMG buff was a good buff imo Caz
Heavies need to be feared but not invincible and i think thats where they are somewhat at now.
Heavies at mid range should lose to a smart Assault player who can aim anytime.
Dont let them close the gap too much if they do dance around them
and like Giz said there are only a few actually good heavies on this game tbh
I disagree. The range stats on HMG are self-explanatory. I dont say the buff wasnt needed. But AS ALWAYS, CCP buffed too much. Just like they nerfed too much the HAV HP and res, boosted too much SL and FORGE at the same time. Then nerfed too much missile etc...
HMGs needed MAINLY a damage buff. Wich they got. But the range buff ? Why in hell ?
And regarding heavies, i never said they're invincible, i'm just saying they're too close too logi\assault in terms of movement. When you see the difference of looks, you'd expect something much more noticeable. Especially regarding straffing.
Made the comparison, and heavies straf at the exact same speed as my assault. Doesnt make sense. |
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