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MrxRaZaRx
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:58:00 -
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Heavy dropsuits need to be looked at as the shield / armour don't change from lvl 1-5 u only get more slots y would any 1 in there right mind pay just under 100k for 2/3 more slots |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:44:00 -
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Now all dropsuits are flatten.... no shield/armor incrase. Only slots and CPU/PG. This give you still more choices.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:55:00 -
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I've said this for a long time, the difference between the standard heavy and prototype heavy is so small that it's not worth bothering with it.
Advanced and prototype heavy need either more base health or more high and low slots (and possibly a little more CPU/PG in this case). |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:11:00 -
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Sure... wait a little. I just soon(tm) will be use proto-heavy.
There will be not much difference ;)
(as yours fellow-mates from corp dont use proto/aur items at all) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.23 14:37:00 -
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The difference in stats between Dropsuits is minimal in terms of their base shield/armour stats.
But that extra PG/CPU (and extra slots in some cases) can mean the difference between advanced or Prototype shield and armour mods, or damage mods, or whatever else you want to fit your suit with. Use your improved suit's improved fitting capabilities to improve your fitting.
If you can't make that work, it's not CCP's fault. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:00:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The difference in stats between Dropsuits is minimal in terms of their base shield/armour stats.
But that extra PG/CPU (and extra slots in some cases) can mean the difference between advanced or Prototype shield and armour mods, or damage mods, or whatever else you want to fit your suit with. Use your improved suit's improved fitting capabilities to improve your fitting.
If you can't make that work, it's not CCP's fault. Yes, because assaults having 3/3 slots (I think?) at proto over 2/1 at standard plus an extra equipment slot and CPU/PG and logistics having 4/4 slots at proto over 2/2 (I think?) at standard plus extra equipment slots and CPU/PG is the same as the heavy having 3/2 slots at proto over 2/1 at standard.
Get out of here.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:38:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The difference in stats between Dropsuits is minimal in terms of their base shield/armour stats.
But that extra PG/CPU (and extra slots in some cases) can mean the difference between advanced or Prototype shield and armour mods, or damage mods, or whatever else you want to fit your suit with. Use your improved suit's improved fitting capabilities to improve your fitting.
If you can't make that work, it's not CCP's fault. Yes, because assaults having 3/3 slots (I think?) at proto over 2/1 at standard plus an extra equipment slot and CPU/PG and logistics having 4/4 slots at proto over 2/2 (I think?) at standard plus extra equipment slots and CPU/PG is the same as the heavy having 3/2 slots at proto over 2/1 at standard. Get out of here. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise I'd said anything about the devs applying the same balance formula across the board, regardless of the difference in stats, prupose and function between different suit types.
Oh wait.... I NEVER SAID THAT.
Don't treat me like a child, don't disregard my point without actually reading it, and definitely don't try to put words in my mouth. That never turns out well. My post was addressing the PROVABLE FACT that ALL Dropsuits get better when you look at the more advanced versions in comparison with the previous versions. Heavy, Assault, whatever. The higher-tier versions are always able to be better-fitted than the previous versions.
Higher-tier Heavy suits are better than the ones that came before them. Same as any other suit type. Different suit types are better in different ways, to better support different types of fittings. Yes, Assaults get a lot more slots, and a lot more versatility. Heavies are better at what they do too. But they do different things from Assault suits. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The difference in stats between Dropsuits is minimal in terms of their base shield/armour stats.
But that extra PG/CPU (and extra slots in some cases) can mean the difference between advanced or Prototype shield and armour mods, or damage mods, or whatever else you want to fit your suit with. Use your improved suit's improved fitting capabilities to improve your fitting.
If you can't make that work, it's not CCP's fault. Yes, because assaults having 3/3 slots (I think?) at proto over 2/1 at standard plus an extra equipment slot and CPU/PG and logistics having 4/4 slots at proto over 2/2 (I think?) at standard plus extra equipment slots and CPU/PG is the same as the heavy having 3/2 slots at proto over 2/1 at standard. Get out of here. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise I'd said anything about the devs applying the same balance formula across the board, regardless of the difference in stats, prupose and function between different suit types. Oh wait.... I NEVER SAID THAT. Don't treat me like a child, don't disregard my point without actually reading it, and definitely don't try to put words in my mouth. That never turns out well. My post was addressing the PROVABLE FACT that ALL Dropsuits get better when you look at the more advanced versions in comparison with the previous versions. Heavy, Assault, whatever. The higher-tier versions are always able to be better-fitted than the previous versions. Higher-tier Heavy suits are better than the ones that came before them. Same as any other suit type. Different suit types are better in different ways, to better support different types of fittings. Yes, Assaults get a lot more slots, and a lot more versatility. Heavies are better at what they do too. But they do different things from Assault suits. Now you're the one putting words in my mouth. I never said the proto heavy wasn't better than the standard, but it doesn't give much improvement. Getting one extra high and low slot for that extreme price tag it has is just not worth it in general.
Also, the fact that a fully decked out proto logi can put out about 900HP, almost the same as a standard heavy and not much less than a proto heavy as well as having several equipment slots, is just lolworthy.
Edit: Here's the kind of fitting you can get on a standard heavy: Heavy Type-II Advanced HMG Standard Pistol 2 X Complex Shield Extenders Enchanced Armor Repairer (I think you can fit this, not sure if you can fit a Complex).
You can also easily drop the pistol and then I'm pretty sure you can fit the complex repper. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:53:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Now you're the one putting words in my mouth. I never said the proto heavy wasn't better than the standard, but it doesn't give much improvement. Getting one extra high and low slot for that extreme price tag it has is just not worth it in general.
Also, the fact that a fully decked out proto logi can put out about 900HP, almost the same as a standard heavy and not much less than a proto heavy as well as having several equipment slots, is just lolworthy. I never put words in your mouth. I never claimed - or even implied - that you said Heavies don't get better. I was just pointing out that they DO get significantly better with the improvements that are available.
And a Proto Logi suit can ALMOST match a Standard Heavy's HP - but wastes most of the other potential the suit has, and still goes without a Heavy Weapon option and a Sidearm Slot. One weapon, and only one, and it can't be Heavy, in exchange for ALMOST the same armour as a low-tier Heavy can get. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:57:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Now you're the one putting words in my mouth. I never said the proto heavy wasn't better than the standard, but it doesn't give much improvement. Getting one extra high and low slot for that extreme price tag it has is just not worth it in general.
Also, the fact that a fully decked out proto logi can put out about 900HP, almost the same as a standard heavy and not much less than a proto heavy as well as having several equipment slots, is just lolworthy. I never put words in your mouth. I never claimed - or even implied - that you said Heavies don't get better. I was just pointing out that they DO get significantly better with the improvements that are available. And a Proto Logi suit can ALMOST match a Standard Heavy's HP - but wastes most of the other potential the suit has, and still goes without a Heavy Weapon option and a Sidearm Slot. One weapon, and only one, and it can't be Heavy, in exchange for ALMOST the same armour as a low-tier Heavy can get. A fully decked out proto logi still have plenty of room for equipment. Also, since you can't have much more health on a proto heavy that means a fully decked out proto logi ALMOST have the same health as a low-tier heavy AS WELL AS a high-tier heavy.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:03:00 -
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Heavies need to be looked at slot wise they need MORE slots
all other dropsuits got the same base health but the extra slots combined with more CPU and PG make the suit themselves alot stronger than lower tier gear and heavies need that as well |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:06:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:you can't have much more health on a proto heavy You don't get much more health standard on a proto heavy. You CAN get significantly more than you do on a Standard Heavy. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:you can't have much more health on a proto heavy You don't get much more health standard on a proto heavy. You CAN get significantly more than you do on a Standard Heavy. Yes, 181 to be exact. A proto logi can have 362 more than a standard. Is 181 really that significant? Personally I don't think so.
Edit: And while it has 181 more health it's also 10% slower. |
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