DUST Search - Mouse/Keyboard vs. Game Controller

Beld Errmon wrote:

Phantomnom wrote:

Bold making you mad bro? Wouldn't be the first.

Using a mouse is point, then click, the somebody dies. There is a disparity in comparison to controller.. It's by far easier and anybody who has experience with both knows it, I don't need CCP's database to know that. Now i'm not crying, but 90% at least of people on PS3 shooters will be using a Controller, and if you expect all of those people to "adapt or die" just to get an even playing field then I'd advise you not to hold your breathe on this game becoming a competitive success.

Yes its irritating kinda like seeing a 12 year old screaming at people in caps, I think from you though its a subtle attempt of making your words seem more important, although though i think its more likely to make people dismiss what you have to say.

Using a mouse is point then click then somebody dies.

as opposed to twitch thumb squeeze index finger someone dies?

I do believe the KB/M player is using more muscles and brain power, whats your point? consoles are for the toddlers of the gaming world? I totally agree.

Yes I think you do need to have some evidence to back up broad sweeping assertions that KB/M players are the 10% owning everyone with ease, I don't need to hold my breath I firmly believe this game will be a great success.

I've seen and played a lot of the free to play games this is competing with and just in its beta phase this game is more enjoyable, once the frustrating problems it has are fixed it will blow them away and set a new standard for F2P gaming, if it is not a success on PS3 its an even bigger win, because it will be ported to PC and gain a less ******** player base.

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Napkin Tooth Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 02:56:00 - [1] - Quote I am not sure if this discussion exists somewhere else. If so, I apologize to those forum hall monitors. Last night I did some experimenting with a mouse and keyboard just because. I have never previously been a computer fps player. I was astounded by the ease and consistency of using the mouse to aim. The was no reticule-bob, not even while running and targeting the conspicuous black silhouettes against the unrendered backround with my single pinpoint targeting reticule was as easy as double clicking an icon on your desktop for a kill. Does this mean even if they polished the turd that is the current controller joystick aiming they will still be hopeless against a well conditioned pc gamer in a head to head? I feel reminded that there has been some MLG testing of this kinda of matchup? anyone know more?
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.11.22 03:03:00 - [2] - Quote This is a huge debate in lots of games. Fighting gamers argue about using a controller or an arcade stick. And yet people win tournaments and national championships with both. The difference is so huge in this game because of the absolutely crap controls for using a controller. Ultimately though each has advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on what you're good with. I suck with controllers, always have and probably always will. But currently yes, keyboard/mouse is superior in this game. Although you do have the problem of the vertical look speed being off from the horizontal. Makes tactical AR's unusable, at least for me anyway.
Deluxe Edition Like a Boss. 50	Posted - 2012.11.22 03:07:00 - [3] - Quote It depends on your preference... right now KB/m is slightly gimp because the sensitivity adjustments are broken... you are stuck at max sensitivity.. slight twitches make you spin in circles. Also kb/m sufferes glitches that cause you to randomly do an about face and run the opposite direction when you get frame rate drops. In my optinion kb.m is the best way to play FPS, however many of he vehicles in the game are easier to operate with the controller.
Napkin Tooth Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 03:07:00 - [4] - Quote If anyone was interested in also trying this: with a mouse hooked up and a controller turned on > a friend of mine and I were able to both control the character...with the controller he would march around and I could provide 'assisted aiming' it made for a co-op style gameplay
InukamiHai On The Brink 23	Posted - 2012.11.22 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote I honestly dont know...I personally feel comfortable with the controller (or maybe i just got used to dust FPS style for controller,cant play any other FPS with them,usually use KB/M ), havent tried using a KB/M in dust but ive seen some threads saying that the KB/M support is not very good so ive refrained from using it, some replies say that a gaming mouse with customizable DPI make it better / make it work, try searching on the forums, might have better luck atm.
mystus no1 Industrie und Handels Konsortium Tribunal Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 07:51:00 - [6] - Quote In the beginning I tried hard do get comfortable with the controller but I failed on the hole line... So I left DUST until they implented mouse and keyboard support. Now the game rocks (for me)! Finally I can bring down some red dots and move more like I used to in FPS. BUT InukamiHai wrote: some replies say that a gaming mouse with customizable DPI make it better / make it work Honestly I have a mouse with customizable dpi because the adjustment within the game is broken. Pitched the bar to 0 and it is still to fast! Had to set the lowset dpi value on my mouse to play with acceptable speed. Can't say if anybody could play the game without a dpi adjustment mouse. For the future I would appreciate more fine adjustment for the mouse speed. More then just the 10-step-bar.
Sergeant Wiznowski Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2012.11.22 08:07:00 - [7] - Quote IMHO aiming with mouse in all FPS games is superior to pad control. That's why usage of kb/m or modded pad is frowned upon by console gamers. With some training you can get used to using controller (I say about 300 hours running and gunning) but if you working with PC 8 hours a day your memory muscles are conditioned to kb/m. So 1 vs 1 against player with the same skill I will bet on kb/m winning. Of course using pad on the couch is just more confortable than kbm.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.22 08:19:00 - [8] - Quote I use both TBH Been using the Split Fish for a while now it has an adjustment built into it for mouse speed (left controller) I bought 2 from the PX (Whiteman AFB) for 12.99 each.... i dont think i would ever say it was worth $100 but if you have the cash give it a shot http://www.amazon.com/Frag-Shark-Controller-PS3-Playstation-3/dp/B0047IOXAO/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1353572189&sr=1-1&keywords=Frag+FX BTW, It has worked with every FPS I have tried it with, COD, MAG, BF, MOH it doesnt matter if there is kb/m support because the mouse is your right stick and all the buttons are there
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.22 08:23:00 - [9] - Quote DS3 ftw
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.22 08:32:00 - [10] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: DS3 ftw what does T3 carrier line have to do with kb/m? (DS3 digital signal carrier line 3) JK

Rains Akkadian BetaMax. 28	Posted - 2012.11.22 08:44:00 - [11] - Quote I've was using the DS3 through the E3 and Precursor builds. I regularly tried KB/M when it was introduced but found it wasn't all that. Since the Codex build I've been using KB/M exclusively. It's still not perfect. Push to talk, player list and overview map doesn't work on the keyboard so you have to use the DS3 for that. It's difficult to select a spawn point, you can't move around or zoom the overview map. But for the gun game I find the KB/M excellent for the medium to long range. You can target much easier and the first bullet that leaves your gun often hits whereas with the DS3 you are always making fine adjustments. In close combat the KB/M is not so good, in my opinion. The DS3 is much easier to follow targets and assault in close quarters where you don't have to be quite so accurate to hit your enemy. @Enji Elric, That Splitfish looks awesome. Shame about the price.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:32:00 - [12] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: DS3 ftw what does T3 carrier line have to do with kb/m? (DS3 digital signal carrier line 3) JK
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.22 11:05:00 - [13] - Quote I do both, but even though the KBM 'feels and seems' way way better, i am astonished at how my crappy controller skills still average about the same scores and isk payout in the end. so lately i have just been doing DS3 so i can slouch on the sofa and not need to sit proper to use the mouse-- convenience wins for me. also the micro-freeze screen glitching was driving me crazy when using the kbm, but with a controller it is sort of a non-issue since i can let off the thumb sticks when it happens and don't end up spun around facing a wall.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:15:00 - [14] - Quote Sergeant Wiznowski wrote: (I say about 300 hours running and gunning) Of course using pad on the couch is just more confortable than kbm. If it takes even a tenth of that time it's player ineptitude that's the problem. KM+M is a massive edge against controller users, it's basically pointclick2win.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:30:00 - [15] - Quote I was playing with the controller before they added KB/M switched over because I've always been a PC FPS player, didn't notice that much of a difference other then it feeling natural. As for it giving players an edge, nothing stops people from plugging their own KB/M in and when they still get their arses kicked perhaps they'll stop whining and realise its the player not the tools.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:35:00 - [16] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: perhaps they'll stop whining and realise its the player not the tools. Except it isn't. There is a blatant disparity between KB+M and Controllers. Controllers have been the de-facto input device on consoles for a long time, people should not have to switch to a newer product that isn't built for consoles just to maintain an even playing field. And if it's the players and not the tools that's the problem, then we shouldn't even need another tool such as a mouse in the first place.
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:35:00 - [17] - Quote How about Move? Why do you limit choice to KB&M and controller only?
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:52:00 - [18] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: perhaps they'll stop whining and realise its the player not the tools. Except it isn't. There is a blatant disparity between KB+M and Controllers. Controllers have been the de-facto input device on consoles for a long time, people should not have to switch to a newer product that isn't built for consoles just to maintain an even playing field. And if it's the players and not the tools that's the problem, then we shouldn't even need another tool such as a mouse in the first place. I'll talk in bold too cause it makes it look like what I'm saying is more important, I maintain that its the players not the tools because I was kicking the same peoples arses with the controller as I am now with the KB/M, and where can you source this "Blantant disparity" from, you've got your hands on CCPs database and can see who is or isn't using a controller? Bottom line is even if there is a disparity its not going away you can either adapt or die, or keep playing and cry that everyone that beats you is a haxor with a KB/M which is probably status quo for you anyway.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.11.22 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: perhaps they'll stop whining and realise its the player not the tools. Except it isn't. There is a blatant disparity between KB+M and Controllers. Controllers have been the de-facto input device on consoles for a long time, people should not have to switch to a newer product that isn't built for consoles just to maintain an even playing field. And if it's the players and not the tools that's the problem, then we shouldn't even need another tool such as a mouse in the first place. I'll talk in bold too cause it makes it look like what I'm saying is more important, I maintain that its the players not the tools because I was kicking the same peoples arses with the controller as I am now with the KB/M, and where can you source this "Blantant disparity" from, you've got your hands on CCPs database and can see who is or isn't using a controller? Bottom line is even if there is a disparity its not going away you can either adapt or die, or keep playing and cry that everyone that beats you is a haxor with a KB/M which is probably status quo for you anyway. Bold making you mad bro? Wouldn't be the first. Using a mouse is point, then click, the somebody dies. There is a disparity in comparison to controller.. It's by far easier and anybody who has experience with both knows it, I don't need CCP's database to know that. Now i'm not crying, but 90% at least of people on PS3 shooters will be using a Controller, and if you expect all of those people to "adapt or die" just to get an even playing field then I'd advise you not to hold your breathe on this game becoming a competitive success.
Leovarian L Lavitz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 278	Posted - 2012.11.22 13:22:00 - [20] - Quote Umbat Boki wrote: How about Move? Why do you limit choice to KB&M and controller only? I have to agree with this man, why are you only bashing on the DS3 since the Move is also a Sony. Game. Controller?

Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.11.22 13:35:00 - [21] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: Bold making you mad bro? Wouldn't be the first. Using a mouse is point, then click, the somebody dies. There is a disparity in comparison to controller.. It's by far easier and anybody who has experience with both knows it, I don't need CCP's database to know that. Now i'm not crying, but 90% at least of people on PS3 shooters will be using a Controller, and if you expect all of those people to "adapt or die" just to get an even playing field then I'd advise you not to hold your breathe on this game becoming a competitive success. Yes its irritating kinda like seeing a 12 year old screaming at people in caps, I think from you though its a subtle attempt of making your words seem more important, although though i think its more likely to make people dismiss what you have to say. Using a mouse is point then click then somebody dies. as opposed to twitch thumb squeeze index finger someone dies? I do believe the KB/M player is using more muscles and brain power, whats your point? consoles are for the toddlers of the gaming world? I totally agree. Yes I think you do need to have some evidence to back up broad sweeping assertions that KB/M players are the 10% owning everyone with ease, I don't need to hold my breath I firmly believe this game will be a great success. I've seen and played a lot of the free to play games this is competing with and just in its beta phase this game is more enjoyable, once the frustrating problems it has are fixed it will blow them away and set a new standard for F2P gaming, if it is not a success on PS3 its an even bigger win, because it will be ported to PC and gain a less ******** player base.
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.11.22 13:51:00 - [22] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Bold making you mad bro? Wouldn't be the first. Using a mouse is point, then click, the somebody dies. There is a disparity in comparison to controller.. It's by far easier and anybody who has experience with both knows it, I don't need CCP's database to know that. Now i'm not crying, but 90% at least of people on PS3 shooters will be using a Controller, and if you expect all of those people to "adapt or die" just to get an even playing field then I'd advise you not to hold your breathe on this game becoming a competitive success. Yes its irritating kinda like seeing a 12 year old screaming at people in caps, I think from you though its a subtle attempt of making your words seem more important, although though i think its more likely to make people dismiss what you have to say. Using a mouse is point then click then somebody dies. as opposed to twitch thumb squeeze index finger someone dies? I do believe the KB/M player is using more muscles and brain power, whats your point? consoles are for the toddlers of the gaming world? I totally agree. Yes I think you do need to have some evidence to back up broad sweeping assertions that KB/M players are the 10% owning everyone with ease, I don't need to hold my breath I firmly believe this game will be a great success. I've seen and played a lot of the free to play games this is competing with and just in its beta phase this game is more enjoyable, once the frustrating problems it has are fixed it will blow them away and set a new standard for F2P gaming, if it is not a success on PS3 its an even bigger win, because it will be ported to PC and gain a less ****** player base. Your attitude problem is blatantly stemming from hating console players, so I'll just finish up here and say you're in the wrong place. And I'll say it in Bold.**
Crm234 Wraith Shadow Guards 166	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:51:00 - [23] - Quote My only problem with Dust having so many different ways to control a game is that the controls programming of Dust suffers. The beta controls don't feel right and we see threads about this everyday. The purpose of a console is to make everything uniform making coding easier on the development team. Every PS3 comes basically with the same specs,same intereface, and even the same controller for that reason. Ive tried both the PS3 controller and the keyboard because of a thumb injury. There is massive problems with the difference in controls for Dust. The keyboard controls like a feather and the controller controls like a brick. With the way CCP is trying to balance this is by making the mouse lock up once and a while to say whoa were moving to fast lets slow down. Games that have both PS3 controller and PS move usually suffer the same fate as well. From seeing countless forums about the move versus controller before Dust I came to conclusion that a game either needs to go fully Move or fully controller , you cant have both. Now that leaves me to Dust which has all three controls and no one is happy. CCP I think if you solely go with the PS3 controller you will be better off. For the reasons that everyone that owns a PS3 has the same controller and buttons in the same place. The PS3 is more of a living room set up more then its a desk set up. Also right now the keyboard seems likes its been half butted into Dust. Also it sends a bad message to PS3 users that we really want to make a PS3 game and oh by the way everything about your system sucks even the controller.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:43:00 - [24] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I do believe the KB/M player is using more muscles and brain power, whats your point? consoles are for the toddlers of the gaming world? I totally agree. As a person who plays both console and PC games... I don't even know where this assumption is coming from. I've seen and played a lot of the free to play games this is competing with and just in its beta phase this game is more enjoyable, once the frustrating problems it has are fixed it will blow them away and set a new standard for F2P gaming, if it is not a success on PS3 its an even bigger win, because it will be ported to PC and gain a less ******** player base. You need only to look at... any game, ever, to realize that platform has little to do with general maturity of the player base. That you believe a person's preferred input mechanic determines base maturity is laughable and sad. I'd also like to point out that the majority of insufferable trolls on this forum seem to be butthurt PC players, so that sort of puts a hole your argument.
xXGrim ReeferXx 1	Posted - 2012.11.22 19:35:00 - [25] - Quote HAND > THUMB..... i use controller but mouse wins obviously.... if you say your more accurate with your thumb than your hole hand, you lie.... fix controller please its so rough and jagged
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2012.11.22 20:46:00 - [26] - Quote lately ive been getting more and more fustrated with the controller movement is fine but the acceleration on the right thumb stick sux big time it makes shooting with the sight nearly impossible (i dont know how some do it) tracking close target the crosshairs jump all over the place i feel im fighting the controller just to get a kill nevermind the red dots today i finally lost it and smashed my joypad kb/m doesnt feel right to me on the console altho i can use it due to being a PC gamer as well as a console gamer but due to me smashing my sony joypad i cannot use it till i buy a new one due to the cheap gameware one i was given needing a dongle type adaptor plugged into the ps3 for it to work not tried the ps move as i dont own one but from what ive heard its a no go
Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2012.11.22 22:18:00 - [27] - Quote Napkin Tooth wrote: I am not sure if this discussion exists somewhere else. If so, I apologize to those forum hall monitors. Last night I did some experimenting with a mouse and keyboard just because. I have never previously been a computer fps player. I was astounded by the ease and consistency of using the mouse to aim. The was no reticule-bob, not even while running and targeting the conspicuous black silhouettes against the unrendered backround with my single pinpoint targeting reticule was as easy as double clicking an icon on your desktop for a kill. Does this mean even if they polished the turd that is the current controller joystick aiming they will still be hopeless against a well conditioned pc gamer in a head to head? I feel reminded that there has been some MLG testing of this kinda of matchup? anyone know more? It honestly comes down to one thing, and one thing only: Preference. There are technical reasons why one is superior\inferior to the other. Each has it's pros and cons. I personally use a controller, as that's what I do best with in DUST, and I do damned well in around 90% of my games. Back in the days of Shadowrun, during the review period of the games, the devs would bring in teams of reviewers and put them all on the PC version. They would be in a different room all on the console version. They would almost always win. Experience at the game helps. Experience with the input method is better. Don't let anyone tell you anything else on these forums or any other. The real answer is "Use what you're better with." There is no 'superior' controller. (This is not taking into account Dust's utterly strange acceleration and 'floaty' feeling controls, this is just in general.)
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.11.22 22:34:00 - [28] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: It honestly comes down to one thing, and one thing only: Preference. There are technical reasons why one is superior\inferior to the other. Each has it's pros and cons. I personally use a controller, as that's what I do best with in DUST, and I do damned well in around 90% of my games. Back in the days of Shadowrun, during the review period of the games, the devs would bring in teams of reviewers and put them all on the PC version. They would be in a different room all on the console version. They would almost always win. Experience at the game helps. Experience with the input method is better. Don't let anyone tell you anything else on these forums or any other. The real answer is "Use what you're better with." There is no 'superior' controller. (This is not taking into account Dust's utterly strange acceleration and 'floaty' feeling controls, this is just in general.) Bro, I agree with ya, but the mouse is the superior controller, no doubt about it. If you are acclimated to a console controller, you probably won't be stellar if slammed in front of a PC mouse. BUT, once you've got a bit of time in with a Mouse, things are just waaay easier. It's just more accurate and easier to use. Been a console gamer all my life and was blown away the one time I actually used a mouse over at a relatives place. I don't know who posted this or where I got it from (I think it might've been Youtube) on the big ol' interwebz, but it went something like this: "PC controls are superior to console controls. It's only a problem when PC players think they are superior to console players".----------- If I find the correct quote i'll change this. I know i'm not doing that quote justice.
Sabyn R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2012.11.28 16:53:00 - [29] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Phantomnom wrote: Bold making you mad bro? Wouldn't be the first. Using a mouse is point, then click, the somebody dies. There is a disparity in comparison to controller.. It's by far easier and anybody who has experience with both knows it, I don't need CCP's database to know that. Now i'm not crying, but 90% at least of people on PS3 shooters will be using a Controller, and if you expect all of those people to "adapt or die" just to get an even playing field then I'd advise you not to hold your breathe on this game becoming a competitive success. Yes its irritating kinda like seeing a 12 year old screaming at people in caps, I think from you though its a subtle attempt of making your words seem more important, although though i think its more likely to make people dismiss what you have to say. Using a mouse is point then click then somebody dies. as opposed to twitch thumb squeeze index finger someone dies? I do believe the KB/M player is using more muscles and brain power, whats your point? consoles are for the toddlers of the gaming world? I totally agree. Yes I think you do need to have some evidence to back up broad sweeping assertions that KB/M players are the 10% owning everyone with ease, I don't need to hold my breath I firmly believe this game will be a great success. I've seen and played a lot of the free to play games this is competing with and just in its beta phase this game is more enjoyable, once the frustrating problems it has are fixed it will blow them away and set a new standard for F2P gaming, if it is not a success on PS3 its an even bigger win, because it will be ported to PC and gain a less ******** player base. Well Well Well, another pc gamer with a false sense of superiority. How quaint. Here let me do my pc gamer impression for you. Point click killed someone point click again killed someone else* Eat some pizza rolls then repeat


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