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EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:19:00 -
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Tanks are not tanks
2/3 turrets are nerfed because the community cried
All the resistance mods got nerfed so less resistance against AV
AV in general got a buff but it is also broke in a big way
1 AV guy can solo a tank
Armor tanks are weaker than shield tanks so only 1 type of tank is mainly used
In short tanks are getting slowly taken out of the game, the reason they are up on that hill is because the community forced them up ther, the reason they back off after taking a hit or 2 is because tanks are weak and they want to survive and look after that investment not lose it |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:31:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:
1 AV guy can solo a tank
Yes.....your point is? It's not easy to solo a tank. Especially the ones that are well known for being absurdly fine tuned and specialized. (Lurch, Ted, Bad Furry, etc etc). It can be done, but it's a almost like a completely separate match between you and the tanker.
TBH it really shouldnt happen unless its a badly fitted tank
2 builds ago it took a little thing called TEAMWORK and at least some serious investment in AV, now its the opposite |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.11.24 13:05:00 -
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You limit driver view your screwing the tank over
As for no teamwork to drive one i really dont know where you are going with this, currently i have to drive/watch out for threats/activate mods while driving and GTFO of dodge/also aim main turret and if the tank survives its mainly because of the driver tbh and its even more so now
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EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.11.24 14:55:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:As for no teamwork to drive one i really dont know where you are going with this, currently i have to drive/watch out for threats/activate mods while driving and GTFO of dodge/also aim main turret and if the tank survives its mainly because of the driver tbh and its even more so now
That's an example of something requiring skill, not teamwork. Anyway, like I said originally, "I know I'll just get shouted down by the community" on this. I understand a lot of people want to keep single player tanks, I just don't happen to agree. I don't believe it will ever be possible to balance tanks/AV and keep everyone happy without requiring multiple players to operate a tank. Expect to see a continuous cycle of nerfs & buffs as CCP struggle on without addressing the real issue. That real issue being that tank drivers want to balance in terms of ISK, almost everyone else wants to balance in terms of players, and the ratio of ISK to players will be different depending on whether tanks are involved or not.
Exactly skill not teamwork
Teamwork a tank isnt exactly easy to do since the driver does it all half the time with driving/aiming/killing and activating mods and the gunners are ther for the ride
Before missiles got hit chances are you had gunners with mics and watching out, now i dont bother because no point having a gunner when the turret is next to useless when i can do it all anyways
Only way is to split the main turret from the driver, then you come across the problem that most likely the guy driving still needs all the turrets skill to be bale to put it on a tank
Unless by teamwork a tank you mean to fully outfit a tank with gunners they can train up skills for certain turrets and then buy the turrets to fit onto the tank and the driver doesnt need them skilled to fit them because a gunner already has them which i can see being hard to implement and confusing for alot of ppl
Or even skills in general for players which help the tank, so i dunno pilot suits in which mods can be added to the suit which help imporve the tank in some way ie armor shield hp/regen/resistances/speed/acceleration/dps/ROF etc |
EnglishSnake
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Posted - 2012.11.25 15:04:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:
Exactly skill not teamwork
So you are suggesting that Tanks should not require teamwork, but that AV to kill them should. I don't agree. .
I never said that it was in response to your quote that it takes driver skill to survive and that it doesnt take teamwork becuase the 2 gunners are next to useless
Ther is no teamwork for the tank driver but its all on him to survive against AV
AV should take teamwork, as it is now it doesnt its an option but you can solo a tank no problem on your own |
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