DUST Search - melee is op

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Nova Knife wrote:

There's barely any reason to use actual melee weapons

Not the melee's fault. Even if there was no default melee at all, it would still not make sense to use the Nova Knives (the weapons, not the you).

Right now, there is no point in using the Nova Knives. The shotgun fulfills the purpose of close range one-hit kills better than the Nova Knives, and can be used at greater ranges than the Nova Knives. Basically, why bring knives to a gunfight? The Nova Knives are not as reliable for 1-hit kills as a sneaky shotgun to the upper body. A militia shotgun is not only more useful, but also actually cheaper than the cheapest set of Nova Knives.

Nerfing regular melee may or may not be a good idea, but the Nova Knives need way more than that. I think cloaking might be what it needs; when cloaking comes, using firearms should disable the cloak, but using the knives should make the cloak remain active. This would give the knives a unique stealth niche to make them useful. Right now the knives have no niche.

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oneshytalk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.11.16 06:50:00 - [1] - Quote yes it is nina!!!
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.11.16 06:52:00 - [2] - Quote but your name isn't melee, how can you be OP
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:04:00 - [3] - Quote I think Melee is fine where it's at. Melee is difficult to pull off in a game like this and deserves to be as powerful as it is. Keep the faith.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:50:00 - [4] - Quote No, He's actually right. The standard melee is strong to the point of being kinda stupid. There's barely any reason to use actual melee weapons when bashing them with your rifle is almost as effective. There's something wrong when a fully specced kniving fit can be out melee'd by someone who hasn't trained hand to hand combat and is not using a melee weapon! Standard melee needs to be toned down. There's no reason that smacking someone does almost twice the damage of an assault rifle shot! (135 base melee damage + skills)
Nina Kharn Clone Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:52:00 - [5] - Quote Teeehee I got less than 200hp when I'm doing that tho. Also you got beat down by a girl scout just saying
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens 164	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:54:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah. 135(?) damage is huge in this game. (sarcasm)
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.16 07:54:00 - [7] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: 135 base melee damage + skills So your saying if I pick up a rock, I can do more damage then a plasma round. Future my ass, I'm gonna go caveman in this *****
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.11.16 08:01:00 - [8] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Yeah. 135(?) damage is huge in this game. (sarcasm) That's 135 + skills. 10% damage per level, plus when you hit level 5 you get 50% from that skill and you can use 50% damage modifiers. It's not inconcievable to be able to punch someone for more damage than a sniper rifle can hit someone for, and be able to OHK anything except heavy suits. That's not right, IMO. At least with a melee weapon it's a little more acceptable because you're giving up a ton of range to get that power. But with a stock melee, you can still have a gun out and engage at range.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.11.16 08:02:00 - [9] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: There's barely any reason to use actual melee weapons Not the melee's fault. Even if there was no default melee at all, it would still not make sense to use the Nova Knives (the weapons, not the you). Right now, there is no point in using the Nova Knives. The shotgun fulfills the purpose of close range one-hit kills better than the Nova Knives, and can be used at greater ranges than the Nova Knives. Basically, why bring knives to a gunfight? The Nova Knives are not as reliable for 1-hit kills as a sneaky shotgun to the upper body. A militia shotgun is not only more useful, but also actually cheaper than the cheapest set of Nova Knives. Nerfing regular melee may or may not be a good idea, but the Nova Knives need way more than that. I think cloaking might be what it needs; when cloaking comes, using firearms should disable the cloak, but using the knives should make the cloak remain active. This would give the knives a unique stealth niche to make them useful. Right now the knives have no niche.
Nina Kharn Clone Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2012.11.16 08:36:00 - [10] - Quote I'm doing 310 dmg thats not op at all. Edit: OMG THIS IS FUN

D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.11.16 11:41:00 - [11] - Quote I bashed some poor clones head in with ONE swing of my SL, no skills and no modifier. I bet he was like WTF? ha!
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.16 11:43:00 - [12] - Quote Nina Kharn Clone wrote: I'm doing 310 dmg thats not op at all. Edit: OMG THIS IS FUN You killed me today :( everyone was shooting me and my HMG was overheated. I was about to run away when all of a sudden you sprinted up to me and bashed my face in. :P
Nina Kharn Clone Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2012.11.16 11:49:00 - [13] - Quote I was just putting you out of your misery. No one should have to watch 5 red dots failing so hard to kill one guy 2 feet away. Sorry I didnGÇÖt get there sooner Record for me so far is 26/6 melee only... You know your gungames bad when you throw away your gun and end up getting more kills
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.16 12:01:00 - [14] - Quote Nina Kharn Clone wrote: I was just putting you out of your misery. No one should have to watch 5 red dots failing so hard to kill one guy 2 feet away. Sorry I didnGÇÖt get there sooner Record for me so far is 26/6 melee only... You know your gungames bad when you throw away your gun and end up getting more kills Nice, my record is something like 9/4 with melee- however it was mostly one guy that didn't get the message that I would stab him if he sniped in the same place every time. I got a good chuckle when I managed to survive all of those bullets, only to be taken down by a well placed melee
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.16 12:04:00 - [15] - Quote Nina Kharn Clone wrote: I was just putting you out of your misery. No one should have to watch 5 red dots failing so hard to kill one guy 2 feet away. Sorry I didnGÇÖt get there sooner Record for me so far is 26/6 melee only... You know your gungames bad when you throw away your gun and end up getting more kills I was in that match, lagging so hard i could not see the walls of the interior. You were throwing bows like no ones business though.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2012.11.16 14:06:00 - [16] - Quote Props to you for it Karhn, I've never seen a scout suit move that fast, and will no longer giggle at every ninja knifer that walks past.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.16 14:18:00 - [17] - Quote Also need stimulants to work for Nova Knives.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.11.16 14:39:00 - [18] - Quote Nina Kharn Clone wrote: I'm doing 310 dmg thats not op at all. Edit: OMG THIS IS FUN I was like wheres Kharn?? There He is! oops I am dead! Ok...oops died again! ok, ok lets hunt and I see you! there you are! got ya!! But mad props to ya since that was fun!!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.16 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Right now the knives have no niche. Then explain my existence.
Minmatar Slave 74136 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2012.11.16 15:36:00 - [20] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Nova Knife wrote: There's barely any reason to use actual melee weapons Not the melee's fault. Even if there was no default melee at all, it would still not make sense to use the Nova Knives (the weapons, not the you). Right now, there is no point in using the Nova Knives. The shotgun fulfills the purpose of close range one-hit kills better than the Nova Knives, and can be used at greater ranges than the Nova Knives. Basically, why bring knives to a gunfight? The Nova Knives are not as reliable for 1-hit kills as a sneaky shotgun to the upper body. A militia shotgun is not only more useful, but also actually cheaper than the cheapest set of Nova Knives. Nerfing regular melee may or may not be a good idea, but the Nova Knives need way more than that. I think cloaking might be what it needs; when cloaking comes, using firearms should disable the cloak, but using the knives should make the cloak remain active. This would give the knives a unique stealth niche to make them useful. Right now the knives have no niche. Plus, its fun when the wall stabs you. I tend to agree that regular melee should not be as powerful as using an actual melee weapons. On the other hand, there is something gratifying about pistolwhipping some hapless sucker.



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