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SoulRipper Cybran
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2012.11.15 03:50:00 -
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Mass drives are a cool idea but their not very good at almost every situation, NOT that they should be, but more importantly their BAD at almost every situation. Its not their damage or anything stat wise on the gun, its how it functions. The weapon does not function well as it is, the curvature of the arc , the speed of the shell. The speed could really use a boos as even at short range the weapons travel time is ridiculous to aim. Any way the weapon has a whole needs some changes.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.15 05:18:00 -
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As fun as this gun is, I don't think the mass driver really has a role to fill in Dust. It seems to only do well in close range so its not bad at all situations, but other weapons do it much better.
It would be nice to have a variant with a straighter arc. Maybe it could have a regular arc, but you have a charge option to straighten the arc to make shooting greater distances easier.
As a support weapon, or area denial weapon, it needs to do things besides just blowing up. Maybe incendiary effects, or electrifying effects to close off paths to the enemy, or stasis webifier to slow down enemies that are hit. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.15 05:34:00 -
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There are many people in this game who are completely capable with Mass Drivers both as an offensive werapon, and as a support weapon. I have many in the Southern Legion who use this weapon and honestly, I wish my Assault Rifle could kill as easily as they do. One match, one of our Mass Driver wielding Logistics shot 16 times... and got 16 kills...... in a row... now... he's been playing the MD Logi for a long time, has skills heavily invested into it, and he (and I do too) believes the weapon is pretty damn solid... and many of his victims will scream in frustration if they underestimate the Mass Driver.
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.15 06:08:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:There are many people in this game who are completely capable with Mass Drivers both as an offensive werapon, and as a support weapon. I have many in the Southern Legion who use this weapon and honestly, I wish my Assault Rifle could kill as easily as they do. One match, one of our Mass Driver wielding Logistics shot 16 times... and got 16 kills...... in a row... now... he's been playing the MD Logi for a long time, has skills heavily invested into it, and he (and I do too) believes the weapon is pretty damn solid... and many of his victims will scream in frustration if they underestimate the Mass Driver.
I can back this up. Check is deadly with that thing. You'll just be running across the map, minding your an business and then BAM! One hit killed from across the map by a Freedom Mass Driver- not that their OP, or UP, they just require a great deal of skill, practice and SP to be truly effective. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.15 06:50:00 -
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went 18/1 with my MD on the 4pt map
MDs are fine imo gotta get adv+
gonna try the Breach ones as they got the highest direct dmg and im decent at landing direct hits in cqc-mid range |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
172
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:34:00 -
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I have level 5 operation and level 3 proficiency and still can get more kills with a militia AR than I can with an exo-5 :/
Maybe it's just me, but if you all say that the mass driver is fine the way it is, then maybe the AR needs more spread or something to balance things out. I always end up shooting off all four rounds into someone's face only to be killed while I reload.
I want to try out the proto MDs, but I can't afford risking so much isk on them. |
SoulRipper Cybran
Wraith Shadow Guards
8
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:43:00 -
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Its not their damage im talking about it their usability, They are useless in an uphill battle or most any time you don't have the high ground. They can be good yes but only if backed up by others and if you bring hives and someone to cover you.
The weapon could use some, Functional Adjustments.
Travel speed of the shells should be increased
Arc should be adjusted, maybe a little straighter at first then start to curve like a drop off point to the propellant.
Reload and ammo should be adjusted one of the two, because a gun that takes just as long to fire as it does reload the same 4 shots is terrible. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:29:00 -
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SoulRipper Cybran wrote:Arc should be adjusted, maybe a little straighter at first then start to curve like a drop off point to the propellant.
Mass Driver rounds aren't self-propelled. The propellant is the weapon. The shell SHOULD be starting to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. Speed increase is a good idea though. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:02:00 -
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At the start of this build it was the Mass Driver more than any other weapon that killed me (one shot killing scout suits), it was later surpassed by the GEK but that's another topic.
Having started running a basic Mass Driver myself I find it to be an adquate weapon (note this is without upgrading it's related damage, range, ammo, or reload skills. And also is only the basic Mass Driver).
The main things I've found important in the use of the Driver are A) trying to get 2x Kill Assists is a better idea than trying to get 1x Kills. B) Much like the shotgun & SMG the Driver is best used for indirect (i.e. not head on) engagement.
In short the Mass Driver is a very squad oriented weapon and suffers when running solo.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:47:00 -
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Not to mention the amount of ammo (total, not clip size) is terrible.
On another note- last build, I was a scout with a mass driver- once you get it down (and when the shots don't bug), it's more effective than a scout with a shotgun. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.16 00:03:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Not to mention the amount of ammo (total, not clip size) is terrible.
On another note- last build, I was a scout with a mass driver- once you get it down (and when the shots don't bug), it's more effective than a scout with a shotgun.
Depends how good you are at getting close without taking fire.
If you can reliably reach point-blank, most targets go down in one hit, and it's rare for someone to take more than 2 unless you let them control the range. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
432
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Posted - 2012.11.16 02:06:00 -
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I think they should implement an arc tracer thingy that shows you the path the projectile is going to take. Would totally help because it's so fun and haters gonna hate it. I just feel like the aiming system should go back to the drawing board and overall buff or at least send people flying a little farther. I have lvl 2 or 3 operation and still can only get in one kill per entire set of ammunition. |
Wintars Boar
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
64
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Posted - 2012.11.16 02:27:00 -
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It's a handheld mortar. It's not an explosive round assault rifle. It can be and props to you crazy foos who can do it.
You can't snipe with a shotgun, you can drop a tank with a sniper rifle.
Proper tool for the proper application, I think its a great area suppression weapon and have seen it do wonders on an enemy CRU |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.16 03:01:00 -
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Gonna say that the Mass Driver is a very deadly Group Weapon that will benefit any squad when used correctly.
First, is the all MD squad with Flux Grenades, went and watched Sha and a couple of others use these MDs and Flux Grenades with great effectiveness, they got themselves a slight height advantage and went top of the board.
We also had a match where 6 SI were pushing on an objective, with Sha getting constant kills and assists due to its range and effectiveness. The team as a whole benefited from the tactical use of the Mass Driver.
Do not expect to run around soloing everything with it, the Mass Driver is perfect as a squad based weapon, it doesn't need buffing or nerfing, it's one of the only weapons that is perfect right now. Any change in it for purely solo reasons will result in people crying "NERF!" when used properly with a Squad. |
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