DUST Search - Devs - Will DUST have Trophies?

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Obama DAT wrote:

What is the reason for not allowing free games to have trophies?

It is up to the developer, and/or publisher. All they have to do is meet Sony's trophy requirement. If they use them as an incentive to make you a subscriber, or premium member that is up to them [developer/publisher]. Still it is just there way of making you want to pay for their game in some form. It may be a free-to-play model, but it has the infamous freemium attached to it for a reason. Never forget it is about making money first and foremost.

Pretty sure this isn't true, because if it was, at least SOME devs would include one or two bronze trophies in their trial version game and so far, NONE have done so. I've heard from a few different sources that sony don't allow trial and content locked "free" games to have trophies because that would encourage players to collect free content to boost their trophy level. It's treated as a legitimate "leaderboard" of sorts by Sony. There have also been cases where they've banned players when it can be proven that the person got multiplayer trophies by unfair means - usually when several players are provably working together against the rest in FFA modes (or are stupid enough to admit to it, as I've seen and reported and been abused by an alt after the player in question got banned), or when players from different teams work together in team games to arrange for a specific person to get a trophy.


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Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 16:05:00 - [1] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: OgTheEnigma wrote: There's a good chance that trophies will be included because they're mandatory in PS3 games now, even the MMOs. in what way are they mandatory? are you saying sony are forcing their games developers to add trophies? Actually they do, and have for a few years now. Just in the same way that Microsoft has them [Publishers/Developers] make achievements. Not that it does not help sell video games. Fake or not people perceive and their own perceptions are very simple to fill. The only games though unrequired of trophies are mini's, PlayStation Portable titles, PlayStation One and PlayStation2 original releases are the only titles known to not come with trophies. All remakes, and redone high definition models such as the re-released bundles are required by Sony to have trophies. To answer though Dust514 will have trophies.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Bronze trophies for basic certs, silver for standard, gold for elite, and a platinum for earning 10+ gold. That would be a pretty fair way to entice people to at least give the game a chance and get through the learning curve before deciding if they want to keep playing. Actually the Platinum is awarded for getting all other trophies. I believe the Platinum in itself hold no value, like Bronze, Silver and Gold trophies do. That's not the only way to get platinum. And EVERY trophy in a game like dust would literally take years. I think that's a bit to far, which is why I threw out a number like 10 golds. Yes it is? What other way is there? So what if it takes years? That's only good, as the Platinum would be a sign that that person has all the trophies. In my post above I just showed an example that does not require every trophy to get plat. You only need to obtain every trophy for the "core" game to obtain the coveted platinum trophy. You still need to acquire every trophy though regardless to obtain the platinum. DLC is optional though, and in older titles you will need to obtain all trophies including DLC to get the platinum. So as said before you need all trophies for the platinum.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote PlayStation Home is an "application" and more precisely a social application. Thus does not require trophies. I'm still correct. Minis though are not "free", much less any game on or for the PlayStation3. Meaning there are only very few games that are "free".
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 17:03:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett, you did not read did you? I stated all titles in which Sony does not require the developer, or publisher to post trophies for games. PlayStation One PlayStation2 PlayStation Portable Mini's Applications (Ex. PlayStation Home) For the PlayStation One and PlayStation2 titles they must be original releases. Directly from disc rips that have not been touched or tampered with. Otherwise such as HD bundles, or re-releases (Ex. KILLZONE) are required to have trophies. Even the PlayStation Vita has trophy requirements.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote Tyrus 4 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: DCU and Free Realms both support trophy, both free. DCUO and Free Realms both ONLY support trophies for subscribing players, and not for free-to-play people. DUST doesn't, at the moment, have any announced plans for a subscription option. This. People don't read what I post, do they? I myself was not arguing this, or your statement on that matter. Infact having gone through experience with both games myself I can concur that what you say is the truth; Both FreeRealms, and DC: Universe alike make you shell out a premium for their trophies, or to continue through the game -- FreeRealms. While DC: Universe allows you the freedom of leveling and playing for free you are not going to obtain achievments, or trophies for the game itself unless you become a premium member. However that said I feel Dust514 falls more under the lines of WoT (World of Tanks) in which it is totally free, and only shortcuts, and minor aestheticals are allocated to your account via a premium. I could certainly see Dust514 being the first complete free-to-play game in both the North American and Euro Zone areas. I cannot speak for the Asian, or more precisely the Japanese side because, they have several free-to-play MMO themed games in which have never left their borders. Including and forgive my anger a Gundam title which is free-to-play. The rat bastards... This is no Zaku, boy! Anyway. No, I totally agree with your statement on the matter. However again "trophies" themselves mean something different persons to persons. So if you are like me and do not necessarily need trophies to play your game(s) then you can easily pick-up and play DC: Universe with ease. However FreeRealms is a lot like that of WoW (World of Warcraft) in which it has a level cap hindering you from actually playing the game. Even though it is trying to sell itself as a free-to-play game, it is only half correct. Seeing how the vast majority of the game is locked from you.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.11 22:30:00 - [6] - Quote Obama DAT wrote: What is the reason for not allowing free games to have trophies? It is up to the developer, and/or publisher. All they have to do is meet Sony's trophy requirement. If they use them as an incentive to make you a subscriber, or premium member that is up to them [developer/publisher]. Still it is just there way of making you want to pay for their game in some form. It may be a free-to-play model, but it has the infamous freemium attached to it for a reason. Never forget it is about making money first and foremost.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.11.12 01:13:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Obama DAT wrote: What is the reason for not allowing free games to have trophies? It is up to the developer, and/or publisher. All they have to do is meet Sony's trophy requirement. If they use them as an incentive to make you a subscriber, or premium member that is up to them [developer/publisher]. Still it is just there way of making you want to pay for their game in some form. It may be a free-to-play model, but it has the infamous freemium attached to it for a reason. Never forget it is about making money first and foremost. Pretty sure this isn't true, because if it was, at least SOME devs would include one or two bronze trophies in their trial version game and so far, NONE have done so. I've heard from a few different sources that sony don't allow trial and content locked "free" games to have trophies because that would encourage players to collect free content to boost their trophy level. It's treated as a legitimate "leaderboard" of sorts by Sony. There have also been cases where they've banned players when it can be proven that the person got multiplayer trophies by unfair means - usually when several players are provably working together against the rest in FFA modes (or are stupid enough to admit to it, as I've seen and reported and been abused by an alt after the player in question got banned), or when players from different teams work together in team games to arrange for a specific person to get a trophy. Pfft.. Sony doesn't know what they are doing. I've seen plenty of people from PlayStation Network (SEN) with hacked trophies. Yes, there are people desperate enough to hack trophies. Obviously though Sony wants to make themselves out as somehow being legit, but the truth is that trophies serve no real purpose to anyone or anything other then to the sole individual and the value of worth they serve to that said individual. It's purely subjective. As to whether or not Sony doesn't allow for trial trophies. They do not. However there is a difference between a "trial" and a free-to-play game such as say DC: Universe. I would agree with you on this, but considering some of the finer examples out there I have to say that it is more or less on the developer/publisher side rather then on Sony's own side in this matter. On another note; people do farm trophies. Want an easy platinum, and some gold trophies? Go play Terminator: Salvation. You can probably platinum that game in less then five hours. Is it worth it? Depends on you as a persons. Then again I'm not one to hack my trophies, but hey there is always someone out there... Right? Ha-ha. Sad, but true everyone. Simply put here Sony does not allow for "trial" versions to allow for trophy access (without key), to which you are correct, Garrett. As for the games such as DC: Universe I have no proof on the matter, but a strong feeling it was more or less a developer/publisher call. Rather then a Sony lockout.