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Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:25:00 -
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Turrets are hmg and forge sized and bigger weapon they should compare to these in terms of DPS if you nerf turrets then nerf forges and HMG as well. donGÇÖt nerf them.
Blasters: buff damage donGÇÖt touch anything else these are short range AI weapon Rails: buff tracking speed donGÇÖt touch anything else these are AV weapons they should be able to track a tank rolling across the map Missile: make two types of missile ones with high direct damage but less splash and one with lower direct damage but the curret splash. this would fix alot of thing it still give us a AI tool and they wouldnt be able to one shot anything with their lucky direct hit they occasionally do. these are AI or AV tools depending on the ammo missiles 2.0: make all missile fire the same sized missile the small turrets should have 200 splash and the large have 120 they should be firing the same sized missiles
Overall simply giving them finite ammo with blaster having the most and missiles having the least would go a long way to balancing them if a small turret only had 8 12 missiles depending on what vehicle it was on would they really be so over powered? Add a resuply equipment module for tanks though
Swarms: make them fly smarter, make them faster, but take away their 90 degree turns and crazy stuff like that make them act like real world missile fast but high turn radius. Forges: why does a smaller version of a rail gun have more splash that a large rail gun? What does a forge need splash for anyway? AV grenades they should just sit on the map like mines they should go off after a certain amount of time 10 seconds if they havenGÇÖt hit a vehicle. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:28:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Turrets are hmg and forge sized and bigger weapon they should compare to these in terms of DPS if you nerf turrets then nerf forges and HMG as well. donGÇÖt nerf them.
Blasters: buff damage donGÇÖt touch anything else these are short range AI weapon Rails: buff tracking speed donGÇÖt touch anything else these are AV weapons they should be able to track a tank rolling across the map Missile: leave them alone depending on the ammo these are ranged AI or AV weapons
Overall simply giving them finite ammo with blaster having the most and missiles having the least would go a long way to balancing them if a small turret only had 8 12 missiles depending on what vehicle it was on would they really be so over powered? Add a resuply equipment module for tanks though
Swarms: make them fly smarter, make them faster, but take away their 90 degree turns and crazy stuff like that make them act like real world missile fast but high turn radius. Forges: why does a smaller version of a rail gun have more splash that a large rail gun? What does a forge need splash for anyway? AV grenades they should just sit on the map like mines they should go off after a certain amount of time 10 seconds if they havenGÇÖt hit a vehicle.
Gonna just make a comment on a couple of things, the others I have no interest in.
Missiles, even with ammo, that **** is broken (Coming from a Tank/Dropship Pilot), the damage is far too much, being able to OHK a Heavy isn't cool man.
Swarms, how about we keep them the same as they are? No need to **** about with them honestly, fix pathfinding and you're done.
AV Grenades, they're fine, don't fix something that isn't broken. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.11.11 01:32:00 -
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i can honestly say from expericne it take 1-3 shots to acutally kill suit they kill with splash not with direct damage its only that lucky shot every now and then that kills in one hit...
that made me think and update.
AV grenades are prefectly fin except they sit there the whole match doing a mines job better than a mine.
edit: how about there be to verints of missile one thats keeps the curret splash, gets a sligth buff to splash damage but gets a serve nerf to direct damage, this would let us keep are AI line up in order while meaning that lucky 1/10 direct hit on infantry no longer ohks(most of the time, scouts should still get blowna way if they take a missile straight to the body) and it would allow a different lock on missiles launcher to become the AV tool plenty of direct damage but limited splash(very limited).
so change the curret missile by reducing direct damage to same as splash curretly is and giving a 10% increase the splash damage
make a lock on missile launch that has 10% buff to direct damage but a splash measure in 0. and were good |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:12:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:i can honestly say from expericne it take 1-3 shots to acutally kill suit they kill with splash not with direct damage its only that lucky shot every now and then that kills in one hit...
First, no it doesn't. My Dropship is capable of OHKing suits with Splash damage, I'd be fine with Direct hits but it isn't cool to kill everything with little to no skill.
Quote: AV grenades are prefectly fin except they sit there the whole match doing a mines job better than a mine.
Then you haven't used AV Grenades since the fix have you? AV Grenades disappear after about 3 seconds when on the ground, meaning you can chuck them on the floor ready for someone charging at you or actually aim for the vehicle itself, they don't stay there anymore.
Quote:edit: how about there be to verints of missile one thats keeps the curret splash, gets a sligth buff to splash damage but gets a serve nerf to direct damage, this would let us keep are AI line up in order while meaning that lucky 1/10 direct hit on infantry no longer ohks(most of the time, scouts should still get blowna way if they take a missile straight to the body) and it would allow a different lock on missiles launcher to become the AV tool plenty of direct damage but limited splash(very limited).
As with above, my Dropship can OHK many people with just splash damage alone, it's not good. Honestly, Missiles need to be taken back and looked at as a whole because they're OP and overused for everything
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Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:16:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Ops Fox wrote:i can honestly say from expericne it take 1-3 shots to acutally kill suit they kill with splash not with direct damage its only that lucky shot every now and then that kills in one hit...
First, no it doesn't. My Dropship is capable of OHKing suits with Splash damage, I'd be fine with Direct hits but it isn't cool to kill everything with little to no skill.
the standard missile only got 120 spalsh damage that wont kill a standard suit
so advanced/proto and damage mods, since a dropship doesnt get hit to often it dont need hp mods, of course it can ohk but everything else that has to be able to withstand blows cant be using damage mods with out risk |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:24:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Ops Fox wrote:i can honestly say from expericne it take 1-3 shots to acutally kill suit they kill with splash not with direct damage its only that lucky shot every now and then that kills in one hit...
First, no it doesn't. My Dropship is capable of OHKing suits with Splash damage, I'd be fine with Direct hits but it isn't cool to kill everything with little to no skill. the standard missile only got 120 spalsh damage that wont kill a standard suit so advanced/proto and damage mods, since a dropship doesnt get hit to often it dont need hp mods, of course it can ohk but everything else that has to be able to withstand blows cant be using damage mods with out risk
I run a Myron with no Damage Boosters, around 4500 Shield HP (So I have Extenders) to take damage and I'm using advanced Missile Launchers (accelerated for accuracy). We OHK many thing, if we don't kill it in the first shot, we'll kill it in the second. And that seems totally fair to you? Even playing as a Pilot, and being a gunner, I find this completely unfair and shouldn't be the case. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:40:00 -
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... how are you killing them with splash then are you sure your gunner isnt scoring a direct hit cause advanced accelrated only got... why is the small turrets firing bigger missile than the big turret holy crap CCP nerf small turrets. a small missile launcher should be firing the same sized missiles as the big turret which its not.
a large ADV missile turret has 140 splash a small ADV missile turret has 240 splash
thats messed up CCP make it so missile turrets fire the same sized missile |
YoUnGcUz
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
67
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Posted - 2012.11.11 02:44:00 -
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Increase Railguns range |
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