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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2012.11.07 15:05:00 -
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Type 2 heavy suit = 13000 ISK MH2 Heavy Machine Gun = 32000 ISK Aur Damage Mods = 60 AUR Aur Repair Mod = 30 AUR Total payout after the game = 200K ISK Total kills in the game = 29 Total deaths in the game = 8 Total ISK loss due to deaths = 400K ISK
Total ISK loss after game = 200K ISK
Is it just me or is this absolute BS? And we are talking about just level 2 dropsuits out here.
I think ISK payments should be made based on the role played by you in a game. These are the following areas where I feel ISK should be rewarded;-
1. ISK reward per kill depending on the kind of match Melee Kills - get the highest ISK Weapon kills - get the next higher ISK Grenade Kills - get lower than Weapon kills Vehicle kills - get the least ISK 2. Hacking and counter hacking objectives 3. Revieving teammates 4. Teams using spawn points 5. Having a KD less than 0.5 in a single game
I see a lot of noobs going 0-18 and 1-12 etc etc etc. If anyone needs ISK it is these clowns.
Done ranting!
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2012.11.07 15:32:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Isn't that a simple case of living beyond your means? Every player needs to find a point at which their losses are covered by their income.
I was wondering when "Living beyond your means" trolls would start trolling my post and lo-behold, the very first post on my thread is one of those.
You probably havent been in one of those games with me or other people when they have gone 20+ - 0. I am speaking for the little ones out here that have been destroyed out here by the pros.
Trying to make a point son. If ya dont get it, ask!
If the players are to put up a decent fight against a good tanker or dropship they need better gear. Militia gear tickles yo! |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 15:41:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:You have to keep in mind that ISK payouts will probably be levelled for high-sec contracts.
A good way to split players by level, and to have different ISK payouts based on experience in high-sec contracts would have been some sort of "merc reputation", wich would work a bit like standings in EVE. Except, merc reputation would evolve based only on number of contracts played, victory, losses etc...
A higher merc reputation would send you in higher bounty contracts. Would avoid :
1) Mixing different level of players 2) Having to find the perfect balance in ISK payouts as more advanced gear players, with more SP, and more battles played would play for higher bounty. Etc.
+1. Thanks for a sensible reply. |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 15:57:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:Truthfully, i agree w/ the second poster, you are living beyond your means. now I'm not a great gun, but if i take my type 2 suit, i know if i die 2-3 times, i need to change my suit b/c i can take a guess that ill be going negative. This IS an aspect ccp has spoken about, that u need to weight what you are doing. Plus if u lose that much in one game, maybe use something less costly] the next game, or make better ingame decisions
There are actions and then there are consequences. What you and the second poster dont get is that if someone dies so much in a game and is not able to put up a good fight in a game, they get frustrated and thats where the "nerf this" and "nerf that" option comes in.
Just to give you an example, I went about 10 games last night without dying even once. I made over 2 million ISK in those matches. In these matches I saw people going 0-18 and 1-12. I am pretty sure their ISk payouts for loosing those games are gonna be poor.
Now if they got taken out that badly and they dont have any ISK, how are they going to buy new stuff and improve their game? So what do you think they are going to do? They are pretty much going to ask for nerfs. Thats all they can do! They have no isk to upgrade their skills and no money to buy new/better stuff. How can one improve their game then? And thats what Laurent has addressed. Noobs need a different area.
Besides that last night I destroyed 2 Gunlogis, a dropship and helped take out a Sigaris. All my payouts were between 150K - 300K. If I am doing that much damage my payouts should be higher. Similarly, if someone is doing that bad they need some sort of generosity to try out different things.
Simple no? |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:02:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:From what I've seen, ISK payout increase when you're using low-tier gear and taking out valuable enemy stuff. You get more credit for killing someone with a Militia Sniper Rifle than for the same kill with an Ishukone or something.
Hmmmm. I didnt see that dude. I was rolling in my SVER BPO with militia mods for ***** and giggles. Went 10-2. Got quite a few hacks. The payout was measely 73K for 1350 WP. |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:26:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:Id have to disagree. If you are dying THAT much, you shouldnt be using an expensive suit like that then.
Dude now you are just talking for the heck of if. You mean to tell me a Type 2 dropsuit which costs 13000 ISK is an expensive dropsuit?
Berserker007 wrote: Ccp said, they have it set so people who run proto gear dont use it 24/7 like we have in last few builds.
I am not even talking about advanced/proto suits? Where did you get that from? I am talking about a simple Type 2 Suit
Berserker007 wrote:
i take out enough of their HP to know id of won otherwise and let my mate get the easy kill.
Quite honestly I wouldnt put up a note like this. Some of your corp mates do have good gun games and saying that your mates piggy back of your kills is not cool.
Berserker007 wrote: With what u are a saying, ud want rewards to cover your losses b/c u died, so lose a 1mil tank, but get 500k reward. Thusly play 1 more game, and u can restock your tank. It shouldnt be that easy. The point of restocking items and worrying about inventory is that u CAN lose money so u cant always restock the amount u lost quickly.
If someone has a KD of 0.5 I say they need a lot of help. And yes if someone does loose a 1 million tank in a game and then goes negative in the same game, I feel that they should get enough ISK to get it back. Hey if he lost his tank and goes negative he pretty much sucks
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:51:00 -
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843 pano wrote:@Sentient Archon,
If you look at the amortization of your payout over the games you played, you will see that you are well paid for your services. Seeing that you played 11 games and you made over 2 million isk, minus the 200K isk lost in the "bad" game you have a net of 1.8 million isk for your game play. Seems to be working correctly to me.
True dude. I am just looking out for the little guy .
This post is not about me. Its about those who cant afford. Its about those who dont belong to big corps because they are noobs and wont get accepted. I am glad I have my corp mates and alliance mates to help me out. |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:38:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Alldin is special
Ssssshhhhhhhhh no names
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:41:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:we will probably see a wipe sometime about a week (or two) after that and god knows what changes are in store for us in the next build.
Yep. I really look forward to those wipes. Its is really nice to start the same BS over and over again.
Maken Tosch wrote: You and I should hope that the market opens up some more.
Yep. Market needs to open;- period. |
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:58:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:If you think starting over with the same ISK problem is BS, take a look at the US elections every four years. It's like Deja Vu that never ends.
LMFAO. I hear ya man. Lulz.
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:01:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:There's your problem
Atleast I didnt loose a sigaris in a pub match. Twice
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:28:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:lol with a fail railgun
Those rails are epic fails lol. Blasters too. I put a couple of posts in the requests and feedback sections for CCP to give them back some love lol.
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:38:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:You can QQ all you want
Huh? Who is QQing out here? Read entire posts much or just go to the last one?
Captain-Awesome wrote: The rule is 200k isk is average
Rules are for fools.
Captain-Awesome wrote: The people who are using proto suits are doing it because they are good, in a squad and so are well structured.
Who is even talking about proto suits? Off topic dude
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