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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.31 09:26:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Even if there were no points attached, I'd kill people. Getting rezzed currently just gives me 2 deaths instead of 1. Care for your KDR more than your ISK/Kill ratio then.
I care more about winning. Bleeding out for 30 seconds or just respawn in 10. And like I say, being rezzed is suicidal. 30% hp roughly, and you stay still for about 2 seconds while being rezzed. Here's a large part of the problem. But people want their free kills. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43103&find=unread |
Jah Ree
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:43:00 -
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This happens more times than I can count. The really frustrating part is when we have 3 mercs guarding a point, one dies and in less than 5 seconds he drops out and the rest of us get overrun. At least give me a chance to revive you before bailing.
I agree totally that finding where you died vs your body loc to revive makes no sense. If that's by design, then give me a proton pack and a trap to collect your leftover bits. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:35:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Free Healing wrote:Well put Victor.
I'd also like to add that, while your down. If you see the "Standby Triage Unit Nearby" come up and then see a blue dot run over to you shoot at the guy you were shooting. DON'T BLEED OUT. It doesn't mean that he's not going to revive you. It just means that he can't till the enemy is rabbiting, distracted, or dead. Then (if he is indeed a Logibro.) he'll turn around and come back for you.
Keep the faith. Don't bleed out? So good sir, tell me this trick to resetting the bleed out timer so I can continue to wait for the Logibro/sis instead of watching the screen turn gray and go to respawn. I never hit the suicide button when I see a group of blues around me. I do hit it when I'm still surrounded by oranges. There have been many times when I've seen a Logiplayer come running up just as the bleed out timer expires. Sorry, I have no control over that. If it pissed you off, then yell at CCP, not me. Ahhh your right. What I meant was "Don't press the little red suicide button." Don't know what gave you the impression that i was talking to you though? It's just happened alot to me. Blueberries tend not to check their radar/surroudings when they die so sometimes i see this: Teammate Dies a short distance away from me (like 2 or 3 seconds walking distance) i'll walk up to him, not run since i don't want to be spotted, pass over his body and take a quick peek around the corner to see where the guy that killed him went. If the enemy hasn't noticed me or is retreating then i'll turn around to revive the player behind me and he'll have already suicided. That whole scenario happens in about 5 or 6 seconds and happens to me quite often. Since i can't talk to them i feel that maybe they think i've abandoned them to go kill the guy that shot them in a mad quest for vengence when this is not the case and i'm simply watching out for the both of us. So sorry if i offended you somehow as it was not my inttention. Just wanted share a little knowledge. Keep the faith.
You didn't offend me. I was just stating a point and trying to call attention to bleed out being different from suicide button. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
164
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:41:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I have gotten into the habit of always bleeding out ASAP so I can get back into the action. I don't put much faith in the bluedots, and when I see the prompt "Medic nearby" it typically means I will be lying there until the game forces me to die. Even if they do revive, I usually end up dying right away again because I have no health and the medic isn't speced enough to provide decent armor. So now I have two deaths where I normally would only have one.
Even with a friendly corp member in my squad who has reviving ability, I always seem to forget and bleedout. If we still get a death, or the enemy team still gets a kill, there isn't much reason to bother with a revive. Only reason I can see ATM is to save a suit.
Here is my thoughts on the whole reviving thing. There needs to be more incentive to get revived and more incentive for medics to revive players, that seems to be the biggest problem right now. I would like to see this game take on a bit of what Killzone 2 did in terms of reviving. In KZ2 you could manually bleedout, or you could lie there for really long time, and during this time a enemy player could shoot or melee you to force you to bleedout. And from what I remember, if you did get revived, it didn't count as a death and the person who shot you didn't get the kill.
So a list:
- If a player gets revived, they should not incur a death.
- If a player gets revived, the one who initially took them down should not get the kill.
- If a player gets revived, the clone count should not go down.
- If a player gets shot down to the bleedout stage, enemy players should be able to finish them off to prevent them from being revived.
- If a player gets shot to the bleedout stage, and somebody other than the original shooter finishes them off, that enemy player should get assist points (adds incentive to finish off enemy players in bleedout stage).
- A player that gets headshot to death should not have the opportunity to get revived.
There might be a few more, but the above would add a whole new dynamic to Dust's medic situation, and would make the gameplay and battles much more interesting. It worked exceedingly well for KZ2, and forced the players to play smarter because if a enemy gets shot to bleedout, but doesn't get finished while laying on the ground, one team could lose on on a significant number of kills if there is a good medic on the team. In KZ2, the medic was one of the most important roles and was one of the main factors in turning the tides in terms of who wins and who doesn't.
Clone count doesn't go down until bleed out/suicide button. That's why many ambush players wait for the bleed out to delay the clone count drop and hope for a revive. Also, if you get a revive and manage to survive a bit longer, it's that much longer you go without loosing a drop suit load out.
As nice a being able to finish off someone who's bleeding out would be, that would make Logis nearly useless as people would be finishing off the fallen all the time. I know I would.
So anyway, the only points we agree on is 1, 2, and 6 as 3 already functions. |
Bishop Sunrunner
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:47:00 -
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snow musky wrote: I am trying to get to you just hold on you will back on your feet in a sec Almost there here we go and....... dam it why did u not wait i was right there.
Does this happen you other meds.
nice described |
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