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Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.29 02:53:00 -
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Sounds like a bad idea. Not only will I have to skill into Dropships to be a pilot, I'll have to skill into infantry skills to get the WP to get my vehicle after the first one dies? Oh and then I've got to find 300k-1Million ISK to actually pay for the damn thing. Also, how is it pretty stupid when theres two dropships and a tank in a game? Wait, the enemy team doesn't have anyone that spec'd into a vehicle? What a damn shame.
If you can buy it, you should be able to use it....
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Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 03:41:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Hobos-N-Guns wrote:Quote:
Sounds like a bad idea. Not only will I have to skill into Dropships to be a pilot, I'll have to skill into infantry skills to get the WP to get my vehicle after the first one dies? Oh and then I've got to find 300k-1Million ISK to actually pay for the damn thing. Also, how is it pretty stupid when theres two dropships and a tank in a game? Wait, the enemy team doesn't have anyone that spec'd into a vehicle? What a damn shame.
If you can buy it, you should be able to use it.... +1 And you will be able to use it...if your team plays like a team and earns the WP to use it. Hell,you can buy prototype dropsuits and weapons,and any thing else without the skills to use to actually use them,so that argument doesn't really hold water.
So reward better teams who are winning by giving them access to the vehicles, tanks, dropships. Not much of a balance to the game if you go that route.
Im not sure who you are teaming up with, but the people i team up with are smart enough to buy only stuff they can use
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Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.30 03:49:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Not sure about how I feel about the WP idea. Others have mentioned limiting the number of vehicles on the map at any given time... IMO, this is probably the easiest solution. No more than one DS, one HAV, and two LAVs at any given time. (or some combo like that, whatever is deemed appropriate)
Otherwise, there needs to be ANOTHER rebalancing of AV gear vs vehicles. I've always been a proponent of having vehicles in the game, but they should be support pieces... not game changers.
I remember reading about a 4 vehicle limit to a team. Though this was 3 or 4 months ago. |
Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:13:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Sounds like a bad idea. Not only will I have to skill into Dropships to be a pilot, I'll have to skill into infantry skills to get the WP to get my vehicle after the first one dies? Oh and then I've got to find 300k-1Million ISK to actually pay for the damn thing. Also, how is it pretty stupid when theres two dropships and a tank in a game? Wait, the enemy team doesn't have anyone that spec'd into a vehicle? What a damn shame. He said your first vehicle will be free- that means if you prove to be a terrible pilot, you're out of luck; BUT, if you absolutely kick kitten before an army takes you down, you'll be happily given permission to use another dropship. Exactly! Why should we give free reign to those that aren't good at what they do?I'm looking to promote the team aspect of what's hopefully to be.Also,this should definitely encourage the use of team chat too.I haven't heard anyone really using it since the corp battles in the last build. I would like to add in regards to what Jason said about getting warpoints.The warpoints earned would go into a collective team pot that the commander would have control of.You don't have to personally earn warpoints,the whole team has to earn them. Also,just because you have enough warpoints,that doesn't automatically mean that you are going to get what you want either.Like McBob said,if you suck at piloting and that reputation gets out,no one is going to give you permission to fly,unless you steal someone else's called in dropship. So what I hope with this proposal is to see more coordination and cooperation within a corp,and if randoms don't learn then they can keep playing without wasting and spamming vehicles.Those randoms that want to step up their game will learn to play with more coordination and be better players for it.
So if someone does not measure up to your standards, then they lose the right to use there own vehicles ??? So much for practicing to get better, you just decide they suck and they don't get to use there vehicles with there team.
Sounds like BS to me.... |
Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:22:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I'm an LAV driver- and I love the idea! Not only does it make sense (why would anyone lend a ton of RDVs for noobs?), but it helps me get recognized as a driver.
I put tons of time, ISK, and SP into getting the most out of my wide selection of LAV fittings, but right now, people can't find me (or people like myself) out of the packs of random blues using starter fit LAVs. Maybe after something like this, I can get a decent gunner.
So in your whole corporation, you can't find a decient gunner ????
Sounds like a personal problem and not one that should effect NOOBs or anyone else who want to learn how to use there vehicles better.
How about joining a different corp.
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Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:26:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Hobos-N-Guns wrote:mikegunnz wrote:Not sure about how I feel about the WP idea. Others have mentioned limiting the number of vehicles on the map at any given time... IMO, this is probably the easiest solution. No more than one DS, one HAV, and two LAVs at any given time. (or some combo like that, whatever is deemed appropriate)
Otherwise, there needs to be ANOTHER rebalancing of AV gear vs vehicles. I've always been a proponent of having vehicles in the game, but they should be support pieces... not game changers. I remember reading about a 4 vehicle limit to a team. Though this was 3 or 4 months ago. All I'll tell you is that in the corp battle in the last build,we were fighting against eight,I repeat EIGHT TANKS on the opposing team.Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who won that match.
Was not talking about rocket science, was talking about a possible number the Devs may use in the release of Dust. |
Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:28:00 -
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Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Terrible idea.
Vehicles are an asset that you train for and pay for, not a bonus you might get to use.
Thank you for stating it alot better than i did =D
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Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:47:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Hobos-N-Guns wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Hobos-N-Guns wrote:Quote:
Sounds like a bad idea. Not only will I have to skill into Dropships to be a pilot, I'll have to skill into infantry skills to get the WP to get my vehicle after the first one dies? Oh and then I've got to find 300k-1Million ISK to actually pay for the damn thing. Also, how is it pretty stupid when theres two dropships and a tank in a game? Wait, the enemy team doesn't have anyone that spec'd into a vehicle? What a damn shame.
If you can buy it, you should be able to use it.... +1 And you will be able to use it...if your team plays like a team and earns the WP to use it. Hell,you can buy prototype dropsuits and weapons,and any thing else without the skills to use to actually use them,so that argument doesn't really hold water. So reward better teams who are winning by giving them access to the vehicles, tanks, dropships. Not much of a balance to the game if you go that route. Im not sure who you are teaming up with, but the people i team up with are smart enough to buy only stuff they can use Seems like you just don't understand the concept.You still have the mindset of "what can I do with my vehicle to improve my gameplay",instead of ,"what can I do with my vehicles to help my team win". The idea was to reduce the massive vehicle spamming by making it a privilege,NOT A RIGHT,to use your vehicles in a match. Either way,I've already conceded that there's a better option that someone else posted that would limit vehicle ammo,requiring you to resupply it.
I do understand what your trying to say, im just saying the privilege vs rights should not be decided by players ! That would be abused with favoritism and decisions based on who YOU think deserves to use them.
Need a good example, Your own words above show just how this will happen.
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Seems like you just don't understand the concept.You still have the mindset of "what can I do with my vehicle to improve my gameplay",instead of ,"what can I do with my vehicles to help my team win".
============================= Thank you for making my point |
Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:50:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:I'd like to see the free LAV disappear. they need to be cheap but just like the milita swam launcher it needs to have a price tag. Make people choose between calling in a bunch of cheep vehicles or saving up to stalk up on for the gear they have specced into. Heck, give new player 50 free one so they can get comfortable be hind the wheel. If they like them they will buy more!
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Hobos-N-Guns
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:08:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Whilst the idea isn't a bad one, I'd prefer using a pool of war points then buying vehicles out of that kinda like table top warfare.
So if you have a proto tank it costs a lot of points to deploy it, but a standard one would not.
It would stop the "invincible" tank spam we saw in the other builds and CCP wouldn't have to nerf tanks into oblivion like everyone keeps insisting on, because the team only has limited amount of points. Sure you could have some ridiculous OP tank, but only one and that's it. If an entire team can't take out this vehicle solo, then there's something wrong with their setups imo. In my eyes, the issue has always been the quantity.
That to me is far more balanced than the system we have now of "First come first served".
There would be no balance at all. Your rewarding those doing better with dropships and AV's which will screw the other team for not being as good.
Thats not balance |
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Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:21:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:Necrodermis wrote:i thought of the same thing, but dismissed it as a bad idea. what gives anyone the right to limit another mercs use of weapons they purchased. i'm having a blast blowing up all the LAVs with my invested swarms. Well,if what has been said it true,and there is a cap on the amount of vehicles in each match,then what's the difference? So hypothetically,you can get into a number of matches,and never be able to call in a vehicle,so in that case,it's almost the same thing.
The difference is ===>>> The decision is not decided by any player |
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