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ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.28 15:56:00 - [1] - Quote A LAV with a railgun in the back. Has anyone tried this out? I was careless in my DS on Line Harvest and was shot down by the rail gun installation and it got me thinking. I want to test this
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.10.28 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote Takes dropship literally moments to kill you compared to you him.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.28 16:05:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Takes dropship literally moments to kill you compared to you him. in terms of agility LAV beats a DS hands down. If I was just sitting around taking hits I would have put Tank instead of LAV. I think it would be awesome to see two or three of these pushing back a DS.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.10.28 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote i tried it once and i get a efficency rating of around 30%. You just dont want to do that trust me. And my dropship can 2 shot every kind of militia LAV.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.28 16:37:00 - [5] - Quote ugg reset wrote: A LAV with a railgun in the back. Has anyone tried this out? I was careless in my DS on Line Harvest and was shot down by the rail gun installation and it got me thinking. I want to test this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42091&find=unread In short, small railguns don't have nearly enough damage/range to shoot one down.
G Sacred Rubber Chicken Bombers 73	Posted - 2012.10.28 18:15:00 - [6] - Quote I like getting in Large Railgun Installations on Line Harvest when I see DS. Either I blow em up, or they fall down after I hit em and crash...
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.28 18:23:00 - [7] - Quote Dropships fly faster than railguns track.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.28 18:24:00 - [8] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Dropships fly faster than railguns track. ^ speaks the truth
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote I was the one shooting at you earlier with the LAV. It was pretty hard to aim at you because I have to wait for the momentum to fire at you. Anyways, I notice that it did took a lot of damage to you. I hacked someone's LAV and use it against you. But I shut you down with my Breach Forge gun at C.
MPR11 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:28:00 - [10] - Quote Best counter to a dropship? Heres how to do it: 1) Call in your own dropship (doesn't matter what kind, but I recommend a militia one) 2) Get in and locate enemy dropship 3) Scream "KAMIKAZEEEEE" as loud as you can as you fly into the other dropship 4) ??? 5) Profit 100% FULLPROOF PLAN RIGHT HERE

Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:35:00 - [11] - Quote LAV's with railguns are pointless unless you leave them completely stationary when firing.If you do that,you might as well be both the driver and gunner. On a related topic,if you do choose to be the only person in a LAV,there should be a way to lock it so that stupid randoms don't drive away your vehicle that you spent money on and have set up in the perfect spot that you picked out. One of my corpmates suggested that all vehicles should be locked only to the person that called them in and if another person wants to drive,they have to hack it,but with a slightly faster speed.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:21:00 - [12] - Quote 3 LAVs with rail guns is a great idea. They have been an ignored weapons. those are always best for exploiting. the devs know something we don't. a railgun shoots faster than a forge gun. 3 of them are free.
GaGe AsSeBrKr Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 54	Posted - 2012.10.29 06:23:00 - [13] - Quote The only counter to dropships I've found so far is bailing on the match.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:30:00 - [14] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: LAV's with railguns are pointless unless you leave them completely stationary when firing. the same can be said for ALL small turrets. some can do dammage at range but none of them are reliable on the move.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:33:00 - [15] - Quote MPR11 wrote: Best counter to a dropship? Heres how to do it: 1) Call in your own dropship (doesn't matter what kind, but I recommend a militia one) 2) Get in and locate enemy dropship 3) Scream "KAMIKAZEEEEE" as loud as you can as you fly into the other dropship 4) ??? 5) Profit 100% FULLPROOF PLAN RIGHT HERE Best idea so far! LMFAO! +1
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:33:00 - [16] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: LAV's with railguns are pointless unless you leave them completely stationary when firing. the same can be said for ALL small turrets. some can do dammage at range but none of them are reliable on the move. wrote: The only counter to dropships I've found so far is bailing on the match. ya, good luck holding districts with that attitude.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:33:00 - [17] - Quote ugg reset wrote: the same can be said for ALL small turrets. some can do dammage at range but none of them are reliable on the move. 36-0, 48-0, 25-0 yupp dropships sure are ineffective on the move. tanks can do the same thing, if the pilot keeps his precious investment behind rocks so when swarms comes he can just pull in reverse and let the missiles hit the rocks so he can proceed to get more skill free kills.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:36:00 - [18] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: MPR11 wrote: Best counter to a dropship? Heres how to do it: 1) Call in your own dropship (doesn't matter what kind, but I recommend a militia one) 2) Get in and locate enemy dropship 3) Scream "KAMIKAZEEEEE" as loud as you can as you fly into the other dropship 4) ??? 5) Profit 100% FULLPROOF PLAN RIGHT HERE Best idea so far! LMFAO! +1 I Disagree with step three. You need to shout TORA TORA TORA!!!!!!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.29 21:53:00 - [19] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Dropships fly faster than railguns track. small ones track very quickly now, but that doesn't effect the fact that the low damage and range makes them worthless. The best thing I had against a dropship was calling an LAV with an advanced missile turret to the top of a VERY tall building- it was too tall for the dropship to effectively get up to level with, and by the time it finally did, the swarms were starting to reach it and it was almost out of shields.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.10.29 22:05:00 - [20] - Quote Small rails on LAVs can totally shoot down Dropships. They can't do it easy or quickly but even if they fail they can still scare pilots with damage from nowhere. besides when you do pop at them you can one shot the gunners and passengers if you get lucky.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.29 22:13:00 - [21] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: Small rails on LAVs can totally shoot down Dropships. They can't do it easy or quickly but even if they fail they can still scare pilots with damage from nowhere. besides when you do pop at them you can one shot the gunners and passengers if you get lucky. I made a thread on why dropships are so damn hard to shoot down- no, you can't just take them down slowly, because once their shields get remotely low, they just fly into the redzone until their shields regen and armor is repaired.
xMarauder Doomheim 139	Posted - 2012.10.29 22:34:00 - [22] - Quote Forge gun. Nuff said.
Tebil Gurn ZionTCD Legacy Rising 40	Posted - 2012.10.29 22:54:00 - [23] - Quote Quote: I think it would be awesome to see two or three of these pushing back a DS. As soon as I read this, I thought of the scene from the future in Terminator (the first one, iirc) when the jeep with the mounted laser gun on the back was firing at the flying SkyNet ship. And then that ship blew up the jeep.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:04:00 - [24] - Quote xMarauder wrote: Forge gun. Nuff said. Not "nuff said". the Plus side to my idea is that anyone with any fit can call in a LAV with a Rail. Forge guns are great for AV but once the threat its gone you're a one trick poney.
xMarauder Doomheim 139	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:17:00 - [25] - Quote ugg reset wrote: xMarauder wrote: Forge gun. Nuff said. Not "nuff said". the Plus side to my idea is that anyone with any fit can call in a LAV with a Rail. Forge guns are great for AV but once the threat its gone you're a one trick poney. Unless its the spiky map on ambush (don't know the name pardon) I wreck a lot of people with my forge gun on that map whether they're in a vehicle or not. I'm sure the other forge gunners know what I'm talking about... Besides that map I guess I am a 1 trick pony...but tbh an LAV with a railgun doesn't do any real damage.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:39:00 - [26] - Quote xMarauder wrote: ugg reset wrote: xMarauder wrote: Forge gun. Nuff said. Not "nuff said". the Plus side to my idea is that anyone with any fit can call in a LAV with a Rail. Forge guns are great for AV but once the threat its gone you're a one trick poney. Unless its the spiky map on ambush (don't know the name pardon) I wreck a lot of people with my forge gun on that map whether they're in a vehicle or not. I'm sure the other forge gunners know what I'm talking about... Besides that map I guess I am a 1 trick pony...but tbh an LAV with a railgun doesn't do any real damage. a FG can be used for anti personal just don't miss up close.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:40:00 - [27] - Quote ugg reset wrote: xMarauder wrote: Forge gun. Nuff said. Not "nuff said". the Plus side to my idea is that anyone with any fit can call in a LAV with a Rail. Forge guns are great for AV but once the threat its gone you're a one trick poney. the only railguns that can do enough damage to be worth firing at a dropship are prototype railguns- advanced if there's a pack of them. Trust me- I've fired at plenty with standard railguns- does about as much damage as a militia swarm (without the debilitating explosion to tip the dropship). They also take some practice to land a hit with, and have short range. At least they'll hit way more often than swarms (with practice)
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:48:00 - [28] - Quote the only thing that seems to work is have half your team dedicated to destroying the dropship. or be forced to face members on the enemy team who go 30+ without even trying. and that is physically impossible unless you are fighting in a corp battle because randoms never communicate. having to sit and wait for the perfect time for everyone to release the missiles is key to destroying the tards in the sky. that said, if you aren't in a corp battle, it's not going to happen because randoms refuse to co-operate. even if you manage to get them released at a good time, chances of them hitting are still slim if the pilot manages to speed back up into the red zone because missiles are slow.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:49:00 - [29] - Quote rail guns are terrible to use. use a cycled missile launcher instead. Spam small rockets at it until that thing falls.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:54:00 - [30] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: rail guns are terrible to use. use a cycled missile launcher instead. Spam small rockets at it until that thing falls. Missiles are slow . spamming a cycled ML across the map is just a open invite to the other team. I agree though, one railgun may not be enough to phase a DS.

ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.29 23:58:00 - [31] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: the only thing that seems to work is have half your team dedicated to destroying the dropship. or be forced to face members on the enemy team who go 30+ without even trying. and that is physically impossible unless you are fighting in a corp battle because randoms never communicate. having to sit and wait for the perfect time for everyone to release the missiles is key to destroying the tards in the sky. that said, if you aren't in a corp battle, it's not going to happen because randoms refuse to co-operate. even if you manage to get them released at a good time, chances of them hitting are still slim if the pilot manages to speed back up into the red zone because missiles are slow. well if i can scare them back to there red line thats time my boys have to not be blown up.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:02:00 - [32] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: the only railguns that can do enough damage to be worth firing at a dropship are prototype railguns- advanced if there's a pack of them. Trust me- I've fired at plenty with standard railguns- does about as much damage as a militia swarm (without the debilitating explosion to tip the dropship). They also take some practice to land a hit with, and have short range. At least they'll hit way more often than swarms (with practice) hybrid turrets are a x1 skill so it not asking to much if you speccing into vehicles.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:10:00 - [33] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Necrodermis wrote: the only thing that seems to work is have half your team dedicated to destroying the dropship. or be forced to face members on the enemy team who go 30+ without even trying. and that is physically impossible unless you are fighting in a corp battle because randoms never communicate. having to sit and wait for the perfect time for everyone to release the missiles is key to destroying the tards in the sky. that said, if you aren't in a corp battle, it's not going to happen because randoms refuse to co-operate. even if you manage to get them released at a good time, chances of them hitting are still slim if the pilot manages to speed back up into the red zone because missiles are slow. well if i can scare them back to there red line thats time my boys have to not be blown up. and before the dropship comes back, everyone will be mowed down by infantry because they're using swarms
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:14:00 - [34] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ugg reset wrote: Necrodermis wrote: the only thing that seems to work is have half your team dedicated to destroying the dropship. or be forced to face members on the enemy team who go 30+ without even trying. and that is physically impossible unless you are fighting in a corp battle because randoms never communicate. having to sit and wait for the perfect time for everyone to release the missiles is key to destroying the tards in the sky. that said, if you aren't in a corp battle, it's not going to happen because randoms refuse to co-operate. even if you manage to get them released at a good time, chances of them hitting are still slim if the pilot manages to speed back up into the red zone because missiles are slow. well if i can scare them back to there red line thats time my boys have to not be blown up. and before the dropship comes back, everyone will be mowed down by infantry because they're using swarms IRK if only there was a thread where we could talk about a solution to this problem /sarcasm.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:15:00 - [35] - Quote ugg reset wrote: well if i can scare them back to there red line thats time my boys have to not be blown up. it's a dropship, they will just turn around and fly right back over a point to finish the job. piloting has some skill but the weapons on the vehicle require none. just point the crosshairs at the red arrows and let fly. i killed a forge gunner twice and the other one killed that same one 3 more times before each time he only hit the vehicle twice or three times. armor tanking dropship is a mean vehicle, 4000 armor isn't alot but you have to make consecutive hits quickly or it will be gone to the other side of the map. red lining both sides of the map is a requirement if you want to keep speed so that swarms have absolutly no chance of hitting ever.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:15:00 - [36] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: rail guns are terrible to use. use a cycled missile launcher instead. Spam small rockets at it until that thing falls. Missiles are slow . spamming a cycled ML across the map is just a open invite to the other team. I agree though, one railgun may not be enough to phase a DS. the thi ng is, most random teams are too stupid to determin where the missiles are comming from.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:18:00 - [37] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: the thing is, most random teams are too stupid to determin where the missiles are comming from. the thing is, when the time comes where our battles have an impact on the game I don't want to rely on the other team being stupid to win.
Placid Zan 18	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:20:00 - [38] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: ugg reset wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: rail guns are terrible to use. use a cycled missile launcher instead. Spam small rockets at it until that thing falls. Missiles are slow . spamming a cycled ML across the map is just a open invite to the other team. I agree though, one railgun may not be enough to phase a DS. the thi ng is, most random teams are too stupid to determin where the missiles are comming from. Blueberry(Av Grenade) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Myron- Missile Launcher) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Militia Sniper Rifle) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Melee) Zerkain Kade etc.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:25:00 - [39] - Quote Placid Zan wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: ugg reset wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: rail guns are terrible to use. use a cycled missile launcher instead. Spam small rockets at it until that thing falls. Missiles are slow . spamming a cycled ML across the map is just a open invite to the other team. I agree though, one railgun may not be enough to phase a DS. the thi ng is, most random teams are too stupid to determin where the missiles are comming from. Blueberry(Av Grenade) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Myron- Missile Launcher) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Militia Sniper Rifle) Zerkain Kade Blueberry(Melee) Zerkain Kade etc. it's a milita LAV with two shield resisters on it. it wont go down as easily as the rest of the LAV spam on the map, so i do have a better chance at killing things with it. I usually try to find a secluded spot to start firing at the drop ship. or drop it off near a base so if the drop ships starts firing at me, i can just run under one of those large wear houses, or behind a building. yea, i'll probably die using it, that's a given. Small rail guns are far too weak to use.
Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:57:00 - [40] - Quote It really depends on the map & the skill of the dropship pilot. I'm skilling toward forge guns, but even swarm launchers can deter a dropship incursion when you have 2-3 dedicated anti-dropship swarms raining toward the thing from under cover.

ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 01:14:00 - [41] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: yea, i'll probably die using it, that's a given show me a class that can't do this and i'll show you an OP class
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.30 01:52:00 - [42] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: LAV's with railguns are pointless unless you leave them completely stationary when firing. the same can be said for ALL small turrets. some can do dammage at range but none of them are reliable on the move. But see,that's the rub.CCP ruined the missiles in this build.I use to be able to hit almost everything while on the go,now it's so hard to correct your shot that it's close to pointless to fire while moving.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 02:23:00 - [43] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: But see,that's the rub.CCP ruined the missiles in this build.I use to be able to hit almost everything while on the go,now it's so hard to correct your shot that it's close to pointless to fire while moving. I wouldn't say they ruined them; there are plenty of people who think otherwise. All I'm saying is if your chasing a LAV or a Drop ship in a turret you're not going to land any direct hits unless you're right on them.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.30 08:44:00 - [44] - Quote ugg reset wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Takes dropship literally moments to kill you compared to you him. in terms of agility LAV beats a DS hands down. If I was just sitting around taking hits I would have put Tank instead of LAV. I think it would be awesome to see two or three of these pushing back a DS. lol your kidding, I can fly beside a lav no matter what it does, could work with a tank lav but you dont see many of those really. and I can understand being shot down by a rail installation but a rail turret is poo in comparison
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:12:00 - [45] - Quote Gunner Needed wrote: ugg reset wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Takes dropship literally moments to kill you compared to you him. in terms of agility LAV beats a DS hands down. If I was just sitting around taking hits I would have put Tank instead of LAV. I think it would be awesome to see two or three of these pushing back a DS. lol your kidding, I can fly beside a lav no matter what it does, could work with a tank lav but you dont see many of those really. and I can understand being shot down by a rail installation but a rail turret is poo in comparison well, you have seen me yet in my Methana. unless you have blasters or railgun (wich you don't) you're not getting any direct hits on me And ya, small rails are weak, i know this. but the list of things that can reliably hit a DS has gotten rather small lately.
Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:17:00 - [46] - Quote Bah I stand by the LAV/Rail setup as a passible to good way of fighting off dropships. even if you aren't wrecking them straight up you're still forcing them away from you. And I'm fairly sure that hitting a dropship kills some of the momentum even if its not as much as a forge. That can let swarms catch up.


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