DUST Search - CCP please answer this sometime

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

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...some other guy...

But that's in null sec, where I understand that anything goes and there are no rules. We're not in null sec and won't be when dust is released.

But listen, do you understand the issue at hand where earning ISK in game will be meaningless? And the fact that ccp is trying to make it easier for casuals but allowing guys to use proto everything in every game without regard?

Let me step in and interrupt you two.

Again, it depends on the state of the market. The market will effect Dust mercs regardless of where you are. In the mean time CCP said they are still trying to figure out how to balance out the ISK flow between the two games so that the Dust market and Eve market won't be out of whack.

In regards to what you said about CCP allowing guys use proto everything without regard, that is not true at all. CCP would like to see people use proto everything but they also want the players to suffer the pain of losing such expensive equipment. Again, the market will play a role in this once players are able to gain control over the manufacturing of said items and thus affect the prices. Speculators and market traders who earn ISK without so much as firing a single bullet will also effect the prices of said items one day. It might not happen like this until may early or later 2013, but it will happen. Once it does, your concerns will be no more. Until then, I see your point and you have a valid reason to worry. But you have to remember that this beta is incomplete and haven't seen the full features yet and probably won't until they are ready.

Yeah, but if there is no cap on ISK transfer then players will never suffer the pain. You have guys like Cerebral boasting about earning 1.5 trillion a week!

As long as there isn't a cap, players will never "suffer the pain". Especially when they'll be getting gear cheap from their corps manufacturing the gear in house

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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.27 14:28:00 - [1] - Quote Will there be an ISK EVE transfer cap post release? I'm under the presumption that there won't be since the tourney is giving $250K ISK that's replenished each wipe. I'm just worried that the ingame ISK grind will be worthless cause everyone will have $1 trillion ISK transferred from EVE. And the thrill of playing smart and making calculated choices will be replaced by recklessness. It will turn many people off and the game will lose some of its intrigue
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2012.10.27 14:46:00 - [2] - Quote so its better all play with militia gear , dont tink so. Some will get benefits of be in a Dust/EVE corp, some will be traders in Dust, some will love the industry. This is going to be the difference on high/low/null/wh , totally diffrent rules on this, its up to everyone to choose. I think Dust will be very intrigue to play anyway, and do not forget missions (pve) its going to be great.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.27 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: so its better all play with militia gear , dont tink so. Some will get benefits of be in a Dust/EVE corp, some will be traders in Dust, some will love the industry. This is going to be the difference on high/low/null/wh , totally diffrent rules on this, its up to everyone to choose. I think Dust will be very intrigue to play anyway, and do not forget missions (pve) its going to be great. What are you saying? I can run my type II dropsuits on earned ISK. People don't need ISK transfers to run their suits. I can understand that null sec will be different but Dust isn't going null sec for a while. For release....all we'll have is factional warfare
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.27 16:39:00 - [4] - Quote It depends on the state of the market. The market will be limited at first, but once the market becomes more player-controlled like that of the Eve Online market and less npc influenced, then the dynamics of the market as it follows the standard laws of supply and demand will ensure balance in prices with player income down the road. It has happened before many times in Eve Online and it will happen again and again in Dust once the kinks have been worked out.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2012.10.27 16:54:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: lordjanuz wrote: so its better all play with militia gear , dont tink so. Some will get benefits of be in a Dust/EVE corp, some will be traders in Dust, some will love the industry. This is going to be the difference on high/low/null/wh , totally diffrent rules on this, its up to everyone to choose. I think Dust will be very intrigue to play anyway, and do not forget missions (pve) its going to be great. What are you saying? I can run my type II dropsuits on earned ISK. People don't need ISK transfers to run their suits. I can understand that null sec will be different but Dust isn't going null sec for a while. For release....all we'll have is factional warfare You need Isk to run wars, its going to cost insane to take districts and hold them, and to put defence in place, Isk will flow.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.27 17:59:00 - [6] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: lordjanuz wrote: so its better all play with militia gear , dont tink so. Some will get benefits of be in a Dust/EVE corp, some will be traders in Dust, some will love the industry. This is going to be the difference on high/low/null/wh , totally diffrent rules on this, its up to everyone to choose. I think Dust will be very intrigue to play anyway, and do not forget missions (pve) its going to be great. What are you saying? I can run my type II dropsuits on earned ISK. People don't need ISK transfers to run their suits. I can understand that null sec will be different but Dust isn't going null sec for a while. For release....all we'll have is factional warfare You need Isk to run wars, its going to cost insane to take districts and hold them, and to put defence in place, Isk will flow. But that's in null sec, where I understand that anything goes and there are no rules. We're not in null sec and won't be when dust is released. But listen, do you understand the issue at hand where earning ISK in game will be meaningless? And the fact that ccp is trying to make it easier for casuals but allowing guys to use proto everything in every game without regard?
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 88	Posted - 2012.10.27 18:04:00 - [7] - Quote Yes I see that issue, but I think I read on the forum one place that low end and high end dropsuits will not fight against each other in high sec. I am not sure about how casual friendly CCP will make it, it will be damn hard anyway. :) what I am looking forward to is possiblity to sell salvage and be able to earn isk on trade and industry.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.27 18:11:00 - [8] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Quote: ...some other guy... But that's in null sec, where I understand that anything goes and there are no rules. We're not in null sec and won't be when dust is released. But listen, do you understand the issue at hand where earning ISK in game will be meaningless? And the fact that ccp is trying to make it easier for casuals but allowing guys to use proto everything in every game without regard? Let me step in and interrupt you two. Again, it depends on the state of the market. The market will effect Dust mercs regardless of where you are. In the mean time CCP said they are still trying to figure out how to balance out the ISK flow between the two games so that the Dust market and Eve market won't be out of whack. In regards to what you said about CCP allowing guys use proto everything without regard, that is not true at all. CCP would like to see people use proto everything but they also want the players to suffer the pain of losing such expensive equipment. Again, the market will play a role in this once players are able to gain control over the manufacturing of said items and thus affect the prices. Speculators and market traders who earn ISK without so much as firing a single bullet will also effect the prices of said items one day. It might not happen like this until maybe early or later 2013, but it will happen. Once it does, your concerns will be no more. Until then, I see your point and you have a valid reason to worry. But you have to remember that this beta is incomplete and haven't seen the full features yet and probably won't until they are ready.
Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 145	Posted - 2012.10.27 18:17:00 - [9] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Will there be an ISK EVE transfer cap post release? I'm under the presumption that there won't be since the tourney is giving $250K ISK that's replenished each wipe. I'm just worried that the ingame ISK grind will be worthless cause everyone will have $1 trillion ISK transferred from EVE. And the thrill of playing smart and making calculated choices will be replaced by recklessness. It will turn many people off and the game will lose some of its intrigue Reading the prizes it does not say the isk is reimbursed every wipe just the officer gear and the black ops say that
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.27 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Quote: ...some other guy... But that's in null sec, where I understand that anything goes and there are no rules. We're not in null sec and won't be when dust is released. But listen, do you understand the issue at hand where earning ISK in game will be meaningless? And the fact that ccp is trying to make it easier for casuals but allowing guys to use proto everything in every game without regard? Let me step in and interrupt you two. Again, it depends on the state of the market. The market will effect Dust mercs regardless of where you are. In the mean time CCP said they are still trying to figure out how to balance out the ISK flow between the two games so that the Dust market and Eve market won't be out of whack. In regards to what you said about CCP allowing guys use proto everything without regard, that is not true at all. CCP would like to see people use proto everything but they also want the players to suffer the pain of losing such expensive equipment. Again, the market will play a role in this once players are able to gain control over the manufacturing of said items and thus affect the prices. Speculators and market traders who earn ISK without so much as firing a single bullet will also effect the prices of said items one day. It might not happen like this until may early or later 2013, but it will happen. Once it does, your concerns will be no more. Until then, I see your point and you have a valid reason to worry. But you have to remember that this beta is incomplete and haven't seen the full features yet and probably won't until they are ready. Yeah, but if there is no cap on ISK transfer then players will never suffer the pain. You have guys like Cerebral boasting about earning 1.5 trillion a week! As long as there isn't a cap, players will never "suffer the pain". Especially when they'll be getting gear cheap from their corps manufacturing the gear in house

Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.27 21:48:00 - [11] - Quote What is the difference then of large corps being able to do free ship replacement in Eve? Should we shut that down too since the player didn't "suffer the pain"? You don't know what the pricing of items will be like, not even the NPC prices, as they are not set in stone yet. You do not know how easy it will be to make ISK shooting drones will be. The limiting factor in Eve nor Dust is NOT ISK, ISK is easy to come by in both games. The limiting factor is SP. And it doesn't matter how much ISK you have here or in Eve, it doesn't make your SP come any faster (boosters I'm not counting as that is RL money, not ISK that gets those).
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.27 21:56:00 - [12] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Quote: ...some other guy... But that's in null sec, where I understand that anything goes and there are no rules. We're not in null sec and won't be when dust is released. But listen, do you understand the issue at hand where earning ISK in game will be meaningless? And the fact that ccp is trying to make it easier for casuals but allowing guys to use proto everything in every game without regard? Let me step in and interrupt you two. Again, it depends on the state of the market. The market will effect Dust mercs regardless of where you are. In the mean time CCP said they are still trying to figure out how to balance out the ISK flow between the two games so that the Dust market and Eve market won't be out of whack. In regards to what you said about CCP allowing guys use proto everything without regard, that is not true at all. CCP would like to see people use proto everything but they also want the players to suffer the pain of losing such expensive equipment. Again, the market will play a role in this once players are able to gain control over the manufacturing of said items and thus affect the prices. Speculators and market traders who earn ISK without so much as firing a single bullet will also effect the prices of said items one day. It might not happen like this until may early or later 2013, but it will happen. Once it does, your concerns will be no more. Until then, I see your point and you have a valid reason to worry. But you have to remember that this beta is incomplete and haven't seen the full features yet and probably won't until they are ready. Yeah, but if there is no cap on ISK transfer then players will never suffer the pain. You have guys like Cerebral boasting about earning 1.5 trillion a week! As long as there isn't a cap, players will never "suffer the pain". Especially when they'll be getting gear cheap from their corps manufacturing the gear in house As I said, ccp is trying to figure out how to control the isk flow without mucking up both economies.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.10.27 22:42:00 - [13] - Quote Mister Hunt wrote: What is the difference then of large corps being able to do free ship replacement in Eve? Should we shut that down too since the player didn't "suffer the pain"? You don't know what the pricing of items will be like, not even the NPC prices, as they are not set in stone yet. You do not know how easy it will be to make ISK shooting drones will be. The limiting factor in Eve nor Dust is NOT ISK, ISK is easy to come by in both games. The limiting factor is SP. And it doesn't matter how much ISK you have here or in Eve, it doesn't make your SP come any faster (boosters I'm not counting as that is RL money, not ISK that gets those). At some point, you'll have the sp you'll need to get stuff done. After that, it'll all be out ISK. And if the current prices of gear is not at all reflective of what the prices will be then we'll wait and see what happens.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.10.28 04:38:00 - [14] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: You have guys like Cerebral boasting about earning 1.5 trillion a week! Cerebral himself doesn't earn that much. The Alliance he is in is one of the largest out there, and as a whole, with thousands of members, they make that much. Bit of perspective is all that is needed there. As far as your post just above this one, you will never hit the SP cap. If you ever think you "have all you need", then you will get ROFLstomped by the people who didn't stop improving their characters. CCP designs their games so that there is no beating them. You can play for I believe it is now a little over 20 years and still not max every skill in Eve. It is the way the company operates, that is what they are known for.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.28 06:38:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Will there be an ISK EVE transfer cap post release? I'm under the presumption that there won't be since the tourney is giving $250K ISK that's replenished each wipe. I'm just worried that the ingame ISK grind will be worthless cause everyone will have $1 trillion ISK transferred from EVE. And the thrill of playing smart and making calculated choices will be replaced by recklessness. It will turn many people off and the game will lose some of its intrigue Yet again, a lot of this community really doesn't seem to understand that EVE players aren't just going to dump all their ISK into this game. The economy in EVE is a massive and delicate beast that require CCP to hire their own dedicated economist just to make sure they keep it in balance. The first transactions between the two games are likely to be rather tentative as both sides figure out how best to profit from each other. Yeah, some EVE players are going to dump a lot of their ISK into their own Dust characters, but as I've said before, the kinds of people that have that much ISK tend to be the kinds of players that fold like lawn chairs in PvP, and I wouldn't expect much more from them in Dust. They've already said that the game will launch with many market restrictions in place to prevent either game from being broken by first contact, but I personally look forward to the day when everything is completely open, and you'll see that your fears were for naught.


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