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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:26:00 -
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Subject says it all really.
I know the devs have said that they'll not put up with it and ban whoever, but what will they be doing to monitor it and what constitutes as cheating?.
There's a few things that I'd consider blatant cheating, but others wont and there's no way to tell without the "refs" seeing it for themselves. This in itself could be avoided by simply not doing it when they are near.
For example, I know for a fact that there's "top players" running about with 3rd party pads and tactical rifles. I personally find this cheating as not everyone can do it and it gives a huge advantage, but what's to stop someone doing it in the tourney and is it actually cheating?.
There's more that I could list, but you get the idea. Without somebody watching the teams every moves and recording them, you'd never know and even if they were recording, the team would know where the GM is so it's pointless. That is, of course, if CCP aren't recording the game data for review after.
Can someone from CCP put my mind at ease on this issue please?. |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
50
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:33:00 -
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As to the how, this may go some way to reassuring you.
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:GMs will be present in the matches to monitor each match as observers. Because of this, we will need to reduce the number of players per team to 15. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.10.27 12:10:00 -
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Yes, I saw that thank you and understand. Obviously they will be there to monitor the fight, but I'm wondering in what capacity.
I'm pretty sure that they're gonna have to have their wits about them and that's even if we're having people in game with us that actually play this game and know it well enough.
I've seen GM posts before that are totally un-informed on the game in it's current state, so that comment doesn't instil me with faith quite frankly.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:23:00 -
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With regards turbo pads, I assume they can monitor fire rate? A totally regular fire rate would show up turbo pads. People just can't be totally regular. |
SoLJae
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
351
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:35:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:As to the how, this may go some way to reassuring you. CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:GMs will be present in the matches to monitor each match as observers. Because of this, we will need to reduce the number of players per team to 15.
This will be a sufficient deterent, imho.
And sorry to go off-topic, but I would love if the CCP monitors would video record the matches and then throw them up here after the fact, so that we can all see the gameplay and tactics involved. Could be bada$$.
Surely there's a way the devs could do this fairly easily, no? |
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI
402
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:31:00 -
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Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Subject says it all really.
I know the devs have said that they'll not put up with it and ban whoever, but what will they be doing to monitor it and what constitutes as cheating?.
There's a few things that I'd consider blatant cheating, but others wont and there's no way to tell without the "refs" seeing it for themselves. This in itself could be avoided by simply not doing it when they are near.
For example, I know for a fact that there's "top players" running about with 3rd party pads and tactical rifles. I personally find this cheating as not everyone can do it and it gives a huge advantage, but what's to stop someone doing it in the tourney and is it actually cheating?.
There's more that I could list, but you get the idea. Without somebody watching the teams every moves and recording them, you'd never know and even if they were recording, the team would know where the GM is so it's pointless. That is, of course, if CCP aren't recording the game data for review after.
Can someone from CCP put my mind at ease on this issue please?.
Dude I hate how you assume that anybody good with the TAR is automatically using a turbo. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:34:00 -
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ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:Subject says it all really.
I know the devs have said that they'll not put up with it and ban whoever, but what will they be doing to monitor it and what constitutes as cheating?.
There's a few things that I'd consider blatant cheating, but others wont and there's no way to tell without the "refs" seeing it for themselves. This in itself could be avoided by simply not doing it when they are near.
For example, I know for a fact that there's "top players" running about with 3rd party pads and tactical rifles. I personally find this cheating as not everyone can do it and it gives a huge advantage, but what's to stop someone doing it in the tourney and is it actually cheating?.
There's more that I could list, but you get the idea. Without somebody watching the teams every moves and recording them, you'd never know and even if they were recording, the team would know where the GM is so it's pointless. That is, of course, if CCP aren't recording the game data for review after.
Can someone from CCP put my mind at ease on this issue please?. Dude I hate how you assume that anybody good with the TAR is automatically using a turbo.
He never said everyone was doing it, and don't be so naive to think that nobody is using it... if you think nobody is, then you are mistaken. As I have said in other posts about this, there is nobody NOBODY that can consistently fire 10-12 shots a sec. all day same fire rate.. yet people achieve it in game hrmmmmm |
Dino Malice
Doomheim
16
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Posted - 2012.10.27 15:20:00 -
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grey area = being able to make game changing decisions as the officiating party |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.27 15:29:00 -
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@Regnum You guys are good. But you're MLG. You guys actually look into which TV will give you the least output lag. I just want CCP to monitor the frequency of fire. If your TAR's are firing too regularly, (it should be pretty obvious on their end) then they should ban said team. We're going to get banned anyway. Hercules will ban us for using bad language I expect. He's locked our recruitment threads already. Our CEO is on his "final warning" too... Regnum, how did the bans CCP gave you actually effect you? I.E forum only? In game ban? How long? |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.27 16:14:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote: there is nobody NOBODY that can consistently fire 10-12 shots a sec. all day same fire rate.. yet people achieve it in game hrmmmmm well maybe if your a Starcraft Korean Pro |
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Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
243
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Posted - 2012.10.27 18:11:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:@Regnum You guys are good. But you're MLG. You guys actually look into which TV will give you the least output lag. I just want CCP to monitor the frequency of fire. If your TAR's are firing too regularly, (it should be pretty obvious on their end) then they should ban said team. We're going to get banned anyway. Hercules will ban us for using bad language I expect. He's locked our recruitment threads already. Our CEO is on his "final warning" too... Regnum, how did the bans CCP gave you actually effect you? I.E forum only? In game ban? How long? Does your Corp deserve to be banned, or did you get on CCP's bad side somehow? |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.10.27 18:17:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Does your Corp deserve to be banned, or did you get on CCP's bad side somehow?
Not at all. As far as I'm aware we've nothing to hide or be concerned about.
It's just that a certain GM doesn't have a sense of humour it seems. |
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
192
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Posted - 2012.10.27 18:20:00 -
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ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:Dude I hate how you assume that anybody good with the TAR is automatically using a turbo.
I'm sorry correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't qq once in my OP or even mention any names.
Yet your getting upset.
Now why is that I wonder?. Did I offend you or someone you know perhaps?.
I find your post most curious tbh. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2012.10.27 18:33:00 -
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ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote:Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:For example, I know for a fact that there's "top players" running about with 3rd party pads and tactical rifles. I personally find this cheating as not everyone can do it and it gives a huge advantage, but what's to stop someone doing it in the tourney and is it actually cheating?. Dude I hate how you assume that anybody good with the TAR is automatically using a turbo.
I see nothing of the sort said there.
Sure it's hard to tell; when I used to play TAR I'd switch hands and rapidtap vs big targets. But if someone can slice you in two with a passing spray, it's fair to suspect them. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:03:00 -
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EULA Chapter 6.3
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play"
So it looks to me that they mention nowhere about hardware items and also a rapid fire when used in battle to kill does not directly facilitate the acquisition of items, currancy, objects, character attributes, rank or status.
Doesn't look like a punishable "cheat" to me.
I can hear the accusations incoming now, for someone to defend such a thing must surely be turboing it! Well I have used it in the past because I use the Eagle Eye Converter and wanted to try it but I roll Heavy with a HMG; Hardly beneficial with that gun. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:16:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:EULA Chapter 6.3
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play"
So it looks to me that they mention nowhere about hardware items and also a rapid fire when used in battle to kill does not directly facilitate the acquisition of items, currancy, objects, character attributes, rank or status.
Doesn't look like a punishable "cheat" to me.
I can hear the accusations incoming now, for someone to defend such a thing must surely be turboing it! Well I have used it in the past because I use the Eagle Eye Converter and wanted to try it but I roll Heavy with a HMG; Hardly beneficial with that gun.
If you read that section of the EULA carefully in order to understand its meaning, this does actually prohibit the use of rapid keystroke devices and patterns of play that we deem to be unfair. However do bear in mind that button bashing is not going to help you cheat, as rates of fire etc are determined by the server. Anyone using a KB & mouse can also tell you that the look speed etc is limited regardless of input device. |
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Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:26:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Ghost-33 wrote:EULA Chapter 6.3
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play"
So it looks to me that they mention nowhere about hardware items and also a rapid fire when used in battle to kill does not directly facilitate the acquisition of items, currancy, objects, character attributes, rank or status.
Doesn't look like a punishable "cheat" to me.
I can hear the accusations incoming now, for someone to defend such a thing must surely be turboing it! Well I have used it in the past because I use the Eagle Eye Converter and wanted to try it but I roll Heavy with a HMG; Hardly beneficial with that gun. If you read that section of the EULA carefully in order to understand its meaning, this does actually prohibit the use of rapid keystroke devices and patterns of play that we deem to be unfair. However do bear in mind that button bashing is not going to help you cheat, as rates of fire etc are determined by the server. Anyone using a KB & mouse can also tell you that the look speed etc is limited regardless of input device.
I did read it and it does not specifically say that you can not use it for the purpose of shooting and killing clones.
Quick fix, edit the EULA if you want to prohibit aftermarket controllers with rapit fire capibility.
I was under the impression that EULA's and other signed documents were to be taken verbatim so if their was ever a reason to use them in court they could be used legitimately and not up for interpretation?
I don't want to cause much trouble but as I see it if CCP implicitly wanted people to not use a rapid fire mechanism for shooting or killing, then it would have been added into that part of the EULA. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:39:00 -
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@GM Grave No-one can tap out 13shots a second. Or whatever 800rpm works out to. The TAR is a simply an example. We just want you to be checking. Even if you are checking after the match. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:56:00 -
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Ghost-33 wrote:I did read it and it does not specifically say that you can not use it for the purpose of shooting and killing clones.
Quick fix, edit the EULA if you want to prohibit aftermarket controllers with rapit fire capibility.
Hope you realize (actually you don't but what ever) that such a childish interpretation of 'law' us rather ******** and if you ever try that in a court you'll be in a federal ass-pounding prison in no-time.
Using rapid-fire macros/etc to kill clones gets you in trouble with the following; facilitate acquisition of 'items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank and status' at ... as killing a clone provides for a gain in all of those. |
Ghost-33
ShootBreakStab
108
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Posted - 2012.10.27 21:32:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote: Hope you realize (actually you don't but what ever) that such a childish interpretation of 'law' us rather ******** and if you ever try that in a court you'll be in a federal ass-pounding prison in no-time.
It is only childish to assume people will interpret Law the way you want it to be. Which is why if they want people to not use rapid fire to shoot a weapon in the game then it should state just that.
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