DUST Search - My Two Cents On Dust

Aighun wrote:

Xavier Hastings wrote:

What I'm saying is that if a Protoman and a Militiaman fight, and they both use the same moduals, there should be a fair fight.

I don't want fair fights. When I beat someone using a proto suit while I am in militia gear I want to feel like I totally bested an OP opponent. I want to fight people in proto suits that think they are getting some kind of advantage. I want to win those fights and at least in my own mind rub it in their faces. "Ha, take that proto suit person!"
Sadly, this will most likely will not happen. Unless you are Proto yourself, or maybe a tier below it. They will be too strong for anyone in Militia.

No, I do not want fair fights. But I want to win vs. proto suits and feel like I am overcoming great odds. Prevailing in the face of extreme danger. Not just because my opponent was completely incompetent at fitting modules, or just forgot modules entirely.
Above.

Also, your hypothetical is far fetched to the point of being irrelevant. Why should a prototype suit be exactly the same as a militia suit, other than the number of module slots PG and CPU? Why shouldn't I be able to fit a prototype module on my level one suit if I really work at min maxing just to be able to do just that? What about prototype modules that increase CPU or PG, should I not be able to fit those on a militia suit?
If you can fit Proto Moduals on a Militia Suit, by all means, be my guest.

Might as well say, "If a grilled cheese sandwich fought a fried peanut butter and jelly sandwich and they were both cooked in canola oil instead of butter, it should be a fair fight."
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Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.25 22:08:00 - [1] - Quote Now, don't get me wrong, Dust is a great game, and hopefully will be so in the future. But, sadly, there are some complications: 1). Instant Hit Mechanics Now, as some of you may know, Dust 514 uses Hit Scan. If you do not know what that is, Hit Scan uses ~~ultra complex, universe bending~~ simple calculations to essentially make an invisible line that instantly hits whatever is in front of it. Of course, some game couple this with projectile tracking, where the attack itself is hitscan, but there is an animation of the bullet. More information at the always correct Wikipedia and the humorous TV Tropes. The Problem* Well, the problem is, it is unrealistic. Scrubs wrote: Balance. Moar Balance! Well, yes I know that, but it would not be that unbalanced if we used a more pure projectile model. A mix of balance and realism is a good sign for a healthy game. The Solution Let's say, for example, If a sniper had his scope on a target, but the target was running in a perpendicular line across his scope, and the sniper did not track him, chances realistically he would not hit him. But in Dust, he could. Now, acceptable breaks from reality are fine at times, but not blatantly ridiculous as this. Also, it would help the minority of people who actually track their targets, which you cannot do, in an Instant Hit Game. 2). The Great Divide Between Proto and Militia I'm sure you've seen it. People going 25/0 and are on the top of the leaderboards. How do they do it? Naive Gamer wrote: Skill. Well, partially, that is true. At least for other games... But no, this game gives you Proto Suits! In other words, hunks of metal blessed by Zeus, that make you immortal. Compare it to Militia Suits, which are compressed dirt. Now, exaggerations are present, I know. But the truth still remains. If you have Proto you are essentially God, and are always on top. The Solution Well, I'm no expert, but here is a suggestion: Make the Moduals matter more. Make it so more advanced suits only give PG and CPU upgrades. That will make it much more balanced, for a Militia Suit with the same moduals and equal chance, gear wise, against a Protoman. 3). ISK Transfer Let's go take your EVE Character, and dump his billions of ISK to your wallet. Sounds like a ~~great,~~ ~~terrible,~~ ~~and insane~~ not so wise idea. Now we get people with billions of ISK Protoing out/Advancing out/being snooty rich kids. The Solution I'll let the must intelligent minds rack their brains together to figure this one out. It'll take a long time, I know. So, comments and opinions below. Also tell me if I have my facts wrong, I try to be as accurate as possible.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.25 22:31:00 - [2] - Quote No comments?
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.26 20:57:00 - [3] - Quote MItt R0mney wrote: Turning the weapons from hit scan to projectile currently isn't feasible. I know. It probably won't happen, but it would be nice if it did. Mister Hunt wrote: I think what the OP was saying about proto suits is that if you give them enough PG/CPU they can be very beastly, as they would be able to run Proto modules. Someone in a militia suit couldn't run those modules. Well, maybe one but then they would have to hit you with a stick as their weapon. Make the modules matter. Exactly my point. You see, in a Militia, you won't be able to use Proto Moduals. You won't have enough CPU/PG. But in a Proto Suit, you will. But only if you have the money. What I'm saying is that if a Protoman and a Militiaman fight, and they both use the same moduals, there should be a fair fight.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.26 22:59:00 - [4] - Quote Aighun wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: What I'm saying is that if a Protoman and a Militiaman fight, and they both use the same moduals, there should be a fair fight. I don't want fair fights. When I beat someone using a proto suit while I am in militia gear I want to feel like I totally bested an OP opponent. I want to fight people in proto suits that think they are getting some kind of advantage. I want to win those fights and at least in my own mind rub it in their faces. "Ha, take that proto suit person!" Sadly, this will most likely will not happen. Unless you are Proto yourself, or maybe a tier below it. They will be too strong for anyone in Militia. No, I do not want fair fights. But I want to win vs. proto suits and feel like I am overcoming great odds. Prevailing in the face of extreme danger. Not just because my opponent was completely incompetent at fitting modules, or just forgot modules entirely. Above. Also, your hypothetical is far fetched to the point of being irrelevant. Why should a prototype suit be exactly the same as a militia suit, other than the number of module slots PG and CPU? Why shouldn't I be able to fit a prototype module on my level one suit if I really work at min maxing just to be able to do just that? What about prototype modules that increase CPU or PG, should I not be able to fit those on a militia suit? If you can fit Proto Moduals on a Militia Suit, by all means, be my guest. Might as well say, "If a grilled cheese sandwich fought a fried peanut butter and jelly sandwich and they were both cooked in canola oil instead of butter, it should be a fair fight." ? Also: Once this game progresses, more and more people that have been playing for a while will most likely be more advanced then New People, Skill Cap or not. So, why should I keep playing if I keep being mowed down every twenty seconds by someone in a better suit then I? I might even be better at FPS then he, but he has the better suit, so he wins. So I leave, minimizing the amount of players playing this game and not buying the precious AUR that CCP most certainly wants me to do.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.27 00:31:00 - [5] - Quote They already did that? Well, I suppose I was wrong then.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.10.27 00:56:00 - [6] - Quote Aighun wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: They already did that? Well, I suppose I was wrong then. Well, apologies if I overstated my case. I take my forum battles very seriously. But yes, you and CCP are on the same page. Look through all the drop suit stats in the market and you'll see they have already by and large implemented your idea. Oh, sorry about that, then. I should research more next time.