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Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:53:00 - [1] - Quote I think that everyone should be a fair match against each other in the tournament. No one should be stronger than another. Everybody should be equal. Its not the weapons or the skill that wins a war. Its the team work the tactics the strategy. So if it is possible can you do something about this? Thank you, Zepa volther
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:55:00 - [2] - Quote the gnome in l4d is a good match. ah wait im thinking ccp guard.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:57:00 - [3] - Quote Are.... you..trolling right now
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:41:00 - [4] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I think that everyone should be a fair match against each other in the tournament. No one should be stronger than another. Everybody should be equal. Its not the weapons or the skill that wins a war. Its the team work the tactics the strategy. So if it is possible can you do something about this? Thank you, Zepa volther Also, lets not fight but make paper airplanes and sand castles.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2866	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:44:00 - [5] - Quote I call it, Troll.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 91	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:45:00 - [6] - Quote rock paper scissors thats how they did it back in my day
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:47:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I call it, Troll. Hate trolls...
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:53:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I call it, Troll. gnome, is that derogatorry to small people?
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:53:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I call it, Troll. btw i call goon, and 99% deserve whats comming.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.10.25 02:07:00 - [10] - Quote I do not even know what to say about this post. :/ So weapons or skill do not matter. I would put my soul on the table that you are wrong sir. Wars I won by having advanced weapons and also a skillful leadership. So yes they are both involved in winning wars. It is like saying a bronzed age army should win against a steel aged army of same size because they used teamwork better. Not because the bronze weapons broke as they hit the steal armor and the steal weapons cut through the bronze armor like butter. :/ Oh yes another question how do you make skill a none factor. How do you determine and grab players into a match and say they are even skilled.

Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.25 02:12:00 - [11] - Quote in a teamgame or personnaly or as both? teamgame = win, dont give a **** about k/d personaly= does the right thing at the right time. there is no dev bollox numbers that can decide it in a teamplayer game.
Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.25 02:48:00 - [12] - Quote I'm being a troll how? I like a plain war. Where everyone is equal so everyone could stand a chance against one another. I mean sure advanced weapons and stuff make an army stronger :\ You do know that you are playing a Sci-Fi Game so there you go here is your advanced weapons :\| . Plus before when CCP fixed the boosting glitch. Me in the other hand and the other people while the ''curtain people boosted'' I actually played the game right. Gained my Sp and Isk with pure skill. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just calling it out. A sport is supposed to be fair. A tournament is supposed to be fair. Its like your fave sport team gets cheated by your most hated sports team because they used drugs to enhance their players. I wouldn't like that one bit. A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:30:00 - [13] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: rock paper scissors thats how they did it back in my day Wrong. Its rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock.
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:31:00 - [14] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I'm being a troll how? I like a plain war. Where everyone is equal so everyone could stand a chance against one another. I mean sure advanced weapons and stuff make an army stronger :\ You do know that you are playing a Sci-Fi Game so there you go here is your advanced weapons :\| . Plus before when CCP fixed the boosting glitch. Me in the other hand and the other people while the ''curtain people boosted'' I actually played the game right. Gained my Sp and Isk with pure skill. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just calling it out. A sport is supposed to be fair. A tournament is supposed to be fair. Its like your fave sport team gets cheated by your most hated sports team because they used drugs to enhance their players. I wouldn't like that one bit. A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army. This is antithesis to the nature of Dust. If this is what you prefer I politely recommend a different game.
Noel Bellamy Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 36	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:33:00 - [15] - Quote I already said they should reset all the ISK and SP, or maybe assign an amount of SP to the participants, to keep it even and based on skill, rather than who has the most SP and most ISK.
NeoprotoD Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:38:00 - [16] - Quote Zepa has a point.
Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.25 04:00:00 - [17] - Quote Forlorn Destrier Yes I am playing the right type of game :\| Its just that you don't want to loose your advanced weapons, armour, skills and vehicles. If your truly good and skilled. Then fight without it.
Silax Minour Doomheim 29	Posted - 2012.10.25 04:23:00 - [18] - Quote Fifty cents says OP grew up in the 'everyone gets a trophy' era... Shite be killin me! NOT everything is equal. What is the point of earning, and using, SP if we are all going to be the same... Seems silly...
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.10.25 05:59:00 - [19] - Quote I am going to assume you are a troll and not the kid growing up that always got participation awards for picking grass during a little league game. So help us out here. Tell us what you are really mad bro about or where did the bad GEK touch you. Don't have much sp? Die a lot to codewish? HMG mow you down? Can't fly a drop ship? Average at best fps player? So speak up and be honest. Don't cloak the real reason of your discontent in the facade of fairness, equality, and the pureness of sport. I call bulls--t
FPS LEGEND Doomheim 100	Posted - 2012.10.25 06:18:00 - [20] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I think that everyone should be a fair match against each other in the tournament. No one should be stronger than another. Everybody should be equal. Its not the weapons or the skill that wins a war. Its the team work the tactics the strategy. So if it is possible can you do something about this? Thank you, Zepa volther I completely Disagree. This is coming from PXRXO CEO. You, however, are entitled to your opinion. Corp Policy. Die and let Die. Goat bless you. CBJ

Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.10.25 07:17:00 - [21] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. We are not warriors, we're soldiers. Our job is to win, not to fight 'honorably'. True this is just a game, but using high end gear is not against the rules. Zepa Volther wrote: Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army. True, but better gear can help good soldiers be more efficient. As FSP LEGEND said, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you, especially since CCP has already said that "All in-game items are allowed, including those purchased with AUR."
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.25 07:27:00 - [22] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I'm being a troll how? I like a plain war. Where everyone is equal so everyone could stand a chance against one another. I mean sure advanced weapons and stuff make an army stronger :\ You do know that you are playing a Sci-Fi Game so there you go here is your advanced weapons :\| . Plus before when CCP fixed the boosting glitch. Me in the other hand and the other people while the ''curtain people boosted'' I actually played the game right. Gained my Sp and Isk with pure skill. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just calling it out. A sport is supposed to be fair. A tournament is supposed to be fair. Its like your fave sport team gets cheated by your most hated sports team because they used drugs to enhance their players. I wouldn't like that one bit. A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army. Yeah, sports are fair.... NOT LOL. If i understand correctly, what you're suggesting would be to have everyone with a set amount of SP a set type of weapon etc... etc... But, that aint the purpose of this game. It's about the choices you make. And beside, the cap already does a pretty good job at making things fair as no one has a large amount of SP compared to another. Then, it all comes down to the choices everyone in your team made. What skill, what weapon, what vehicle, what equipment, what AV, how deep you focused on each element. And then, it's about individual skill and team alchemy. I would have understand your point if there still was no cap or SP contingency system and you were playing 30Mil SP dudes with a 10 Mil Sp team. So, this thread is in the end completely irrelevant.
Lion Redstar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2012.10.25 07:53:00 - [23] - Quote Zepa might have a point if he is referring to the SP booster players only. We all know that before the logi nerf, SP boost was a practice for certain people. Those people gained a lot more SP then the regular players. A regular player can gain about 600k SP/week before he hits SP cap, so by the time we are speaking, after 3 weeks of playing and with the initial 500k SP, a player should not be able to have more then 2.5mil SP (that before the last SP cap reset). Until the time of the tournament one player could have a top of about 3mil SP. I find it fair to believe that anyone with lot of SP over 3mil at that time is a booster or he used exploits to gain that SP. I know that CCP said that exploits will not be allowed IN the tournament but I think that should also apply BEFORE so people who used such tactics to gain a large amount of SP should not be allowed in the tournament. I'm not saying they should be banned from DUST, let them enjoy their "superiority" until the next char reset, but don't let them in the tournament. Ofc, this is just my opinion, appreciate it if you like or just disregard it.
Shiro Mokuzan GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 106	Posted - 2012.10.25 07:55:00 - [24] - Quote Sports and war are two entirely different things.
Kay High ZionTCD Legacy Rising 86	Posted - 2012.10.25 08:57:00 - [25] - Quote In sports there are teams the buy the really good players and there are teams that can't get them. For instance everyone's heard of the LA Lakers because they win alot of championships, often they "Buy" the best players in the leauge because they can offer them more money. Is it fair to a team like the Salt Lake Jazz that possibly can't afford to pay their players millions per season? should the NBA cripple the Lakers when they play the Jazz because they have better players? No that dosn't make sence. In the same way things in the Dust tourny wont be "Fair and Balanced" in that we shouldn't cripple team like SI, Zion or WTF just cause they have players that might have more SP and better weapons and vehicles than say ROFL house or Kill 'em Quick (Not saying any of the four teams mentioned are lesser than others). CCP should not cripple the tourny for the sake of "Fairness"
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.25 09:15:00 - [26] - Quote Kay High wrote: In sports there are teams the buy the really good players and there are teams that can't get them. For instance everyone's heard of the LA Lakers because they win alot of championships, often they "Buy" the best players in the leauge because they can offer them more money. Is it fair to a team like the Salt Lake Jazz that possibly can't afford to pay their players millions per season? should the NBA cripple the Lakers when they play the Jazz because they have better players? No that dosn't make sence. In the same way things in the Dust tourny wont be "Fair and Balanced" in that we shouldn't cripple team like SI, Zion or WTF just cause they have players that might have more SP and better weapons and vehicles than say ROFL house or Kill 'em Quick (Not saying any of the four teams mentioned are lesser than others). CCP should not cripple the tourny for the sake of "Fairness" And believe me. not everyone in WTF has more SP than regular players. i know i dont. i'm at 2.4 Mil SP. Wich to me seems to be a pretty regular amount.
Lion Redstar ZionTCD Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2012.10.25 09:50:00 - [27] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: And believe me. not everyone in WTF has more SP than regular players. i know i dont. i'm at 2.4 Mil SP. Wich to me seems to be a pretty regular amount. Totally agreed. I'm on 2.5mil after last SP cap reset. Also players are free to move from one corp to another, corporations are allowed to recruit the players they like. That is not a problem. The only thing that CCP should look into for this tournament are the players who have way more then it should be.
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming 154	Posted - 2012.10.25 10:02:00 - [28] - Quote i don't see what the problem is. You were told there was a tournament, free entry, huge prize, yet you DON'T want to vs teams who are 'better'? Teams with more ISK/SP because they put the effort in and actually want to win? Not everyone has boosted their way to millions of SP (max about 3.5mil SP I believe). Also, skill > gear in any way shape or form (not vehicles though :) ). Why should teams need to deliberately handicap themselves because they played longer? Silly.
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.10.25 10:55:00 - [29] - Quote I'm just in it for the fight, I dont care if I am fighting a VK.0 heavy or trying to hamper a Sagaris rampage and dying many futile deaths. I fight for my corp and IF we get ROFLSTOMPED then so be it. You won't find me here crying about how there were 4 tanks, 3 dropships and whatever else rolled over us. I, along with my fellow team-mates will fight to the last regardless of which corp we face. See you on the battlefield!
Frank A Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2012.10.25 11:05:00 - [30] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: rock paper scissors thats how they did it back in my day Wrong. Its rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock. +1 for the reference Bazinga

Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.10.25 12:17:00 - [31] - Quote War, by definition, is never fair.
TEA-GERONIMO EV TRUE TEA BAGGERS 6	Posted - 2012.10.25 13:33:00 - [32] - Quote Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote: War, by definition, is never fair. with the sp cap, everyone has the same sp. So, i don`t understand why you think someone has more. It`s in the way you place the sp that make`s a better warrior. I don`t care about this contest. What i care about is them fix the lag an dropping of games. An so should all of you. This game has some problem`s that need to be fix. Nurf crap just run`s the game in the ground. If you can`t kill people an can`t kill tank`s. Well maybe you should be play my little pony.
Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.25 14:45:00 - [33] - Quote Tea, Not everybody has the same Sp Like I sad the the certain number People and or Corps used the sKill boost. before the Sp Cap limit and before the Repair boosting. And no the Bad GEK Did not kill me I killed people that used that weapon many times. With only Malitsha gear and standard gear. Weapons make the army? OOOOOKAYYYYYY..... If their was no person to fly a drop ship or drive a tank who would command it? A Ghost?! A Soldier is a warrior they are trained to kill using the various skills and weapons at their disposal in order to eliminate the enemy. Hasn't anybody watched Troy or 300 or even went to History class back in high school :\| War is similar to sports its not that hard to the similarities. I'M so astonished that people actually hide behind weapons and not use true skill. Teamwork or tactics.
Kay High ZionTCD Legacy Rising 86	Posted - 2012.10.25 22:29:00 - [34] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: Tea, Not everybody has the same Sp Like I sad the the certain number People and or Corps used the sKill boost. before the Sp Cap limit and before the Repair boosting. And no the Bad GEK Did not kill me I killed people that used that weapon many times. With only Malitsha gear and standard gear. Weapons make the army? OOOOOKAYYYYYY..... If their was no person to fly a drop ship or drive a tank who would command it? A Ghost?! A Soldier is a warrior they are trained to kill using the various skills and weapons at their disposal in order to eliminate the enemy. Hasn't anybody watched Troy or 300 or even went to History class back in high school :\| War is similar to sports its not that hard to the similarities. I'M so astonished that people actually hide behind weapons and not use true skill. Teamwork or tactics. I hope that you have noticed that the major SP farmers of the game are not in the tourny. Dont know if WARRIORS didn't apply or if they were denied entry but the corps that are in are fairly matched though some corps have more people to chose from than others.
Free Healing L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.25 23:25:00 - [35] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I'm being a troll how? I like a plain war. Where everyone is equal so everyone could stand a chance against one another. I mean sure advanced weapons and stuff make an army stronger :\ You do know that you are playing a Sci-Fi Game so there you go here is your advanced weapons :\| . Plus before when CCP fixed the boosting glitch. Me in the other hand and the other people while the ''curtain people boosted'' I actually played the game right. Gained my Sp and Isk with pure skill. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just calling it out. A sport is supposed to be fair. A tournament is supposed to be fair. Its like your fave sport team gets cheated by your most hated sports team because they used drugs to enhance their players. I wouldn't like that one bit. A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army. Two things i'd like to say about this. A.) Saying that you want the Tournament to be fair is basically saying that currently it ISN'T fair. Now unless you have some inside info as to who has what supplies and how much money each of the participating Corporations have, that must be your opinion. For all you know the tournament IS fair. B.) The entire game and premise of the GAME is in fact fair. Every person playing has the exact same access to every item in the game that the guy next to him does. What makes the game, and life really, is the people playing the game. CCP can't do a thing about the Corporations playing in the tournament because ultimately it's the people that save up ISK, get funding, buy better weapons, modules, vehicles, Skillbooks, and have the skills to use those items effectively that are going to be the major players in the Dust Universe. You drew comparisons to sports and warriors. First off the drugs thing isn't fair. Say if both teams had access to the drugs equally, there was no negative side effect to the drug, and using said drug was not against the official rules, then that'd be fair. If one side says "nah i don't want or need this drug" and they end up losing, that was their choice. And no having a strong weapon doesn't make the army agreed. I used a strong weapon once and it didn't do crap for me since i didn't have the skills to back up my use of it. Also i'm pretty sure if a "warrior" was being attacked and in front of him were two weapons, a Baseball Bat and a Sword, he'd pick the sword. Part of the Skills that make a "warrior" is knowing what weapons to choose that MAKE you the strongest warrior you can be. sorry for the text wall...
Noel Bellamy Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 36	Posted - 2012.10.25 23:37:00 - [36] - Quote Hmm, well I'm fairly certain at least one of the corps has a bunch of tanks or whatever obtained from Sisi ISK, I'd just rather it be based on actual skill and teamwork rather than who's had the time to play the most and boost SP.
Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.26 01:54:00 - [37] - Quote I've been to many tournaments in several games (Virtual & Real life) in my life. It was fair: No cheating, and no using the strongest weapons. Make do of what you have and use it to the best of your skill. We should all have a set number of Sp and Skill points for all the contenders to use. Who ever wins in the match gets to keep what they have and advance. How about that?
Tyrus Four 128	Posted - 2012.10.26 02:21:00 - [38] - Quote So what.... you want everyone in the game to only ever be allowed to use Militia Weapons or something?
Zepa Volther Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.10.26 09:41:00 - [39] - Quote Tyrus Four wrote: So what.... you want everyone in the game to only ever be allowed to use Militia Weapons or something? Yup like in the first or second build of Dust 514.
VK deathslaer Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 149	Posted - 2012.10.26 09:53:00 - [40] - Quote Zepa Volther wrote: I'm being a troll how? I like a plain war. Where everyone is equal so everyone could stand a chance against one another. I mean sure advanced weapons and stuff make an army stronger :\ You do know that you are playing a Sci-Fi Game so there you go here is your advanced weapons :\| . Plus before when CCP fixed the boosting glitch. Me in the other hand and the other people while the ''curtain people boosted'' I actually played the game right. Gained my Sp and Isk with pure skill. I'm not pointing fingers I'm just calling it out. A sport is supposed to be fair. A tournament is supposed to be fair. Its like your fave sport team gets cheated by your most hated sports team because they used drugs to enhance their players. I wouldn't like that one bit. A warrior does not choose the strongest weapons to kill the enemy. The warrior uses their skill to out smart them and win. Having strong weapons does not make the army. Its the soldiers that make the army.



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