Classic EVE THREAD

I play more DUST then anyone else, so I should be 10x stronger then a new player.

Its a FPS... Its called BALANCE DEAL WITH IT!

The fact is, when you use weapons of higher skill level they're not supposed to feel like you are Dominant over someone else because you've played longer. If someone has a Militia while you're running with a Duvolle Proto Assault Rifle its gonna go to whom has the most experience with the weapons and the necessary skill to make low end weapons work for them.

The way CCP seems to be planning this is that even if you've played longer, you shouldn't have a overly huge edge over someone whom is a fresh clone. That doesn't mean that the weapons can't be stronger than the last, it just means that if you want that slight edge over someone, then go for it. No one ain't stopping you but its your loss if you die with something you can't afford to loose.

As the old saying goes, Its not the weapon that kills people, its those who are handing the weapon. Otherwise, it would be just be another one of those games where if you played longer, you are immediately better than a new person.

You're not stoked about the tournament starting this weekend, Iron?

Everyone else is buzzing about it.

ITS IS PEOPLE LIKE THAT WILL KILL THIS GAME

But going from regular HMG to broadside HMG (Prototype) and stacking 2 complex damage mods, that is a 50% damage increase and a clear noticeable difference between the two.

So what you mean is, buff ALL of the core dynamics by a core principle multiplier of "x" to actually feel some sort of difference while excluding some "non-flat" items?

Sounds like a good idea to me but might cause problems.

20x more ? Not possible in Dust at the moment.
And is it that bad ? No. Would you rather have no chance just because you have no gear ?

I know i feel a lot of difference between having a damager or not having one. I feel a difference between having a militia suit or my A-series fitted with two complex shield extender.

I feel the difference between my low grade grenade and my brand new flux grenade.

Yet and FORTUNATELY i can still get killed by militia guy running around the battlefield !

=> Also, you're talking about minor change ? but did you do some math ?
=> 30 HP damage for militia rifle without skill
=> 30 HP damage militia AR + 10 % (weaponry V) + 10% (assault rifle op lvl2) => 36 = basic duvolle.
=> 36 HP duvolle + 10% + 10% (same) + 10% damage through better suit. => 47 HP per bullet

Add to this difference in damage, the difference in HP of the suit you use.

Militia suit
Assaut-A serie suit. Same base HP + 2 shield extender => 122 more HP.

Now, tell me there's no difference between a guy doing 47 HP per bullet on 750 ROF weapons with 122 HP more than the guy with same skills and militia rifle and suit and i'd say you're a fool.


it's not about one "minor" improvement, it's about "minor" ImprovementS. And it comes down to who is good enough to overcome those difference and who's good enough to use them wisely and efficiently.

It's not so much CQC, because yeah any HMG will just chop someone up.

but from medium-longer range is where i notice the difference.

Difficult situation...
I liked it the first few days of precursor where we were restricted by suit lvl. I.E. you can't use advanced suits in a standard/militia level battle. Sandbox be damned. Some cat will only poop in the sandbox.

Quite a few of us just stayed in the proto server. Others kept in the militia. It WORKED :D

Things are far too flat in comparison to Replication. That's for certain.

So what i got from it is that milita is on the same level as proto stuff

So the milita suit is the same as proto suit on shield and armor basics excluding skills but the only diff is number of slots but it seems he want it like it was back in the day where each suit had a bit more shield/armor aswell as slots

Bit of a meh thread tbh

u do notice the difference in suit upgrades from previous tier if u fitted ur dropsuit properly
ppl just want to be demigods

small advantage > demigod status
CCP has it right with the suit nerf Gear should only provide a decent/small advantage not make it so that an avg player can just sponge 5x as much shots as a new skilled fps player and win gunfights cuz of it

Killzone 2 has the best gunplay of this generation. DUST could learn a few things about gunplay from killzone.

I've only ran militia fits and tribute suits this build. Up against someone with a similar fit, I usually do ok. If I'm up against someone with better gear (even just a GEK), then I have a hell of a time beating them. The only reason I survive some of those engagements is because I'm not horrible at this game.
Upgrading your gear most definitely gives you a damned good advantage.

I think the problem is that everything is being balanced around the beta. The relatively small player base and low-integration with EVE requires that it be a flat game. However, in the long run (i.e. Launch and integration with EVE) this game needs more depth when it comes to suits, weapons, and modules.

Let's be honest, the mechanics won't be winning this game any awards, so they might as well focus on a very deep progression system. Focus on your strengths CCP.