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Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.21 12:48:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, before you go flying off the handle, just here me out. I think that 3-4 days before the tournament, CCP should reset all isk, SP, assets. But, during this reset, go back to the previous diminishing returns over 24 hour SP format (or something similar, NOT what we have now). This will accomplish a few things for both the game and upcoming tournament. 1st- The SP cap as it is now is TERRIBLE!! You wanted people to stay competitive and keep playing, yet, if anyone misses a week of playtime there is no possible way to catch up because you can't just sit down for a long grind session to make up for lost SP. (my opinion, but shared by many others) 2- It solves the isk problem. Instantly erases all the transfers from Eve to Dust that were "unintended" (and yes, i did get home to discover ridiculous amounts of isk in my wallet) 3- Fixes the market/mass purchases situation that is causing the all the recent bugs (if, in fact, that is what is causing those bugs) 4 - This isk situation has already placed a black cloud over the upcoming corp tournament, in the sense that "He who can afford the most good stuff wins" could end up being the case. So the reset would accomplis the following: -Gives everyone a few days to level into HAVs, Dropships, Forge Guns, HMGs, etc. But only a few, so that everyone actually has to organize as a corp and decide who will specialize in what (and who can afford what). -Corps could actually have some players in the initial matches, while others are leveling, preparing for later rounds -Finances and battle planning now become strategy, as opposed to "Cost doesn't matter, call in all the Dropships and HAVs you want" -Starts everyone on "equal" ground, and removes the inevitable complaint of "they spammed dropships or HAVs" or whatever isk-related complaints that will inevitably be leveled at the winners. -This also means that as the tournament progresses people can grind for more SP when not in corp battles. Basically starting the tournament with militia/lvl 1 stuff in the early rounds, and finishing in a great climactic Proto vs Proto battle for the championship. Yes, I do know this is biased towards those who will get to participate in the tournament, but I would still be okay with it even if my corp doesn't get in. Also this is, of course, under the assumption that they can reset only isk, assets, and Sp without erasing our actual corps. Remember, we've got more wipes coming anyways. Your thoughts? EDIT: I'd be especially interested in the opinions of corp leaders hoping to get into the tournament.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.21 12:59:00 - [2] - Quote hell no
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:03:00 - [3] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: hell no Okay, care to elaborate?
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:06:00 - [4] - Quote Sake Monster wrote: xjumpman23 wrote: hell no Okay, care to elaborate? NOPE
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:07:00 - [5] - Quote Fair enough
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:10:00 - [6] - Quote No SP reset are u ******* high ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is EDIT: ISK Wipe and give everyone 5-10 mill, Asset wipe to counter all the bs bought
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:15:00 - [7] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: No SP reset are u ******* high ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is I see your point, but that's why i suggested changing the current SP cap system. I fully agree that the current cap is bs and I would gladly sacrifice my current SP for a different, better system.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:16:00 - [8] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: No SP reset are u ******* high ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is This. ISK and maybe assets considering the mass purchases people made. But SP? Frakk no.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.21 13:20:00 - [9] - Quote Sake Monster wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: No SP reset are u ******* high ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is I see your point, but that's why i suggested changing the current SP cap system. I fully agree that the current cap is bs and I would gladly sacrifice my current SP for a different, better system. sorry buddy i got a social life and work im not quittin those just to nolife a game for a couple days just to grind back SP i already have just to compete in this "tournament" PS: SP System does need tweakin i agree but no SP wipe
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:13:00 - [10] - Quote Wipe all Assets, give people 2 million ISK. Also, clear corp banks and put in 10 mil.

m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 22	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:18:00 - [11] - Quote If they reset they should give everyone 'at least' the max SP they potentially could have earned on this build. I'd also suggest some officer weapons
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 22	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:20:00 - [12] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Wipe all Assets, give people 2 million ISK. Also, clear corp banks and put in 10 mil. Kinda unfair to any corp that had more than 10 mil to start with TBH
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 22	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:21:00 - [13] - Quote m621 zma wrote: If they reset they should give everyone 'at least' the max SP they potentially could have earned on this build. I'd also suggest some officer weapons And maybe a backrub?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:44:00 - [14] - Quote I still have 990 million ISK. Know what I can do with it? Militia stuff. Its not an issue. Just put in a hotfix for swarm missiles to kill the Dropships, and we're golden.
MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.10.21 15:54:00 - [15] - Quote Can't believe all the negative feedback you're getting on this. If nothing is done I almost hope we don't make it in the tournament Sake, I don't want to be sitting home all weekend to play in a tournament with nothing but frustrations. I think you guys are forgetting what it was like in the previous system. I don't know about everyone else but I'm at only 2.1 mil SP right now ( haven't had much time to play lately). I work and go to school full time, I'm plenty busy like the rest of you, but with the last system in place 2.1 mil is nothing. Could be done in about a week or 2. Also I absolutely loved the idea of the tournament starting out even and kinda wack with low level stuff, but by the end everything will be bananas. Sounds cool as hell to me and will give TONS of incentive to play as much as possible. +1 from me Sake good post.
HEAT SoulRipper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 45	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:20:00 - [16] - Quote Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament? Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill. This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:23:00 - [17] - Quote I'm unaffected either way. I only have one point six million in skill points so I do not lose much. What I want is for CCP to release the player market, 'crusader' and 'operator' dropsuits, and finally re-release all three of the MAG tribute dropsuits. Instead of teasing us with the 'Scout' dropsuit. Either way though I am unaffected and so are my wants and needs. I wouldn't mind a wipe, but at the same time if it does not happen that too is fine.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:39:00 - [18] - Quote HEAT SoulRipper wrote: Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament? Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill. This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet. So how can i be a HMG then, if theres a wipe?
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:44:00 - [19] - Quote 4447 wrote: HEAT SoulRipper wrote: Not like anyone is going to keep everything anyways come live release. So why not reset and start with a clean slate for those int he tournament? Isn't the point of a tournament to display one's skill? Even field would do just that, clean slate before start of tournament and we will be able to watch who can have better organized corp's and who has the skill. This IS a BETA mind you, so none of this will matter much anyways. We're all here to TEST and find issues. That is exactly what we're doing. This isn't for keeps yet. So how can i be a HMG then, if theres a wipe? That's why i said reset a few days earlier, so we could have time to grind up to lvl 1 stuff before the tourney. PS i am heavy Hmg too.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:50:00 - [20] - Quote Yeah no. If they wanted a militia only tourney they would have the power to do it. Instead they gave us time to specialize. You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? (note I'm not one of them, not even close)

MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:52:00 - [21] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? Yes. Yes I do
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming 67	Posted - 2012.10.21 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote MofaceKilla wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? Yes. Yes I do You're a democrat?
MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:07:00 - [23] - Quote Fargen Icehole wrote: MofaceKilla wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: You really think you deserve the same SP as those who ground out to 0 every week? Yes. Yes I do You're a democrat? Hahaha, how can you tell?
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming 67	Posted - 2012.10.21 17:16:00 - [24] - Quote tbh, I'm isk poor, and have very little SP. I'm at a defiinite disadvantage against a lot of players using better gear. But, I'm ok with it. They put in more time, so they earned more SP and isk. I know that in 6months, I'll have more play time under my belt, and it'll be a much more level playing field.
Jariel Manton SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 210	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:16:00 - [25] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: hell no This ^ we are like 2 weeks in! Plus what little reward we have from maxing our sp out each week would be gone.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.10.21 18:36:00 - [26] - Quote This would create an unfair advantage in favor of the corps that have huge player counts, giving them more ability to grind a lot of ISK in such a short time to afford things such as expensive skill books and expensive vehicles and expensive not-militia gear. Give everyone money to use during the tournament if it's such a concern.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.21 21:10:00 - [27] - Quote YES! Especially with the recent exploit that allowed players to get money from eve. Last night, we shot down 3 dropships in 1 game. 3! Good thing they were the worst pilot I've ever seen this build.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 164	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:15:00 - [28] - Quote No to the SP reset. What they should do is that each team enters with only their SP levels as they are. ALL ISK and assets to be removed for the duration of the tournament game. Each team will be allocated a set amount of ISK by CCP for the match from which they can fit their loadout. This would allow some balance to be returned yet keep peoples personal SP tree as it is. It would make it interesting to see what areas each corp decides to gamble their ISK allotment. I'm not sure how easy or hard this would be, but if CCP's intention is just a basic tournament rather than the collection of bitter tears from teams low in funds, then this is what I see as the best solution.
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.10.22 11:55:00 - [29] - Quote Of course im going to follow my corp mates on this one, i mean honestly you wanna see who the best is right? the best is gonna be who has the best gear. So the proto guys win. If we reset everything and go back to the 24hr cap then we can see who the best is in the tournament by starting on even ground. I hold my own in a type 1 suit if im not just messin around like have the past couple of days. but up against anyone in a proto suit im a sittin duck. I understand not wanting to let go of the ever so precious SP we've been grinding to get. But its gonna be reset anyways. Im like sake i'd give all my sp away just to go back to the sp we were getting before codex. I hate the fact i get one or two matches of 20k sp and then slowly decline to 2k a game just over three days. This would clear up alot of complaints before they even got started.... "they won cuz they all have proto gear" "they won because they tanked out the field" "they won because they had **** ton of dropships" "they won because they all had billions of isk to fund everything" "they won because blah blah blah blah...."
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.22 12:15:00 - [30] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: No SP reset are u ******* high ISK wipe and then give everyone say 5-10 mill seems legit but wipin SPs ppl suffered for with this bs cap in place then tellin ppl go no life for a couple days with no sleep to get somewhere decent again? yeaa no thanks buddy....game is already bland as is EDIT: ISK Wipe and give everyone 5-10 mill, Asset wipe to counter all the bs bought If ISK sharing is that much of a bother well go for that solution. But you can be sure HAV users already stacked 100 of fully fitted HAVs. I wont lie, we did it. Our corp on EVE had a substantial amount of ISK and i didnt have to exploit anything to transfer it apart from clicking "transfer ISK" in singularity. Yet, we didnt start spamming HAV all around but it was a welcome help for new players buying skillbook and such.

BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.22 13:20:00 - [31] - Quote "Yes. Yes I do" LOOOOOOOOOOL boy are you in for a shock! that right there is the mentality that is killing the console gaming community. no actually, you don't. you deserve what you earn. you do not deserve what everyone else earns. you're not a democrat... you're a communist. there is no such thing as "fair". that's one of your main flaws. in life. you think things are going to be/have to be/supposed to be fair. there is no such thing as "fair" after you graduate from kindergarten. this game will not be fair. your idea is a bad one simply because you want other people to slow down and play at your level, because you are incapable of playing at theirs. Peace B
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.22 13:45:00 - [32] - Quote Actually, i play to the cap every week, you probably should have checked into that before assuming this post was about people getting too far ahead of me. What i said wad that it was a possibility, and if someone had to take a week off It would be impossible for them to catch up. As for Mo, I'm sure he was being smart a**. PS. Some advice: dont troll around forums pretending to know more about real life than anyone else. We are playing fictional characters in a digital world, you dont know any of us. Makes you come across pathetic and spiteful, when in real life im sure you are most likely a decent person.
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.22 14:11:00 - [33] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: This would create an unfair advantage in favor of the corps that have huge player counts, giving them more ability to grind a lot of ISK in such a short time to afford things such as expensive skill books and expensive vehicles and expensive not-militia gear. Give everyone money to use during the tournament if it's such a concern. Thank you Tiel, for the well thought out and legitimate argument against my suggestion. I hadn't thought of that, but you are correct, there would be an unfair advantage for the larger corps.
MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.10.22 15:53:00 - [34] - Quote Sake Monster wrote: As for Mo, I'm sure he was being a smart a**. Yes. Yes I was.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.22 15:59:00 - [35] - Quote "there would be an unfair advantage for the larger corps." that is the nature of the game you are playing. it will not change. it is static. you guys are complaining now... beta tourney. next comes the complaints on week one about how you aren't making enough in high sec and null sec is making more then comes the null sec nerd then you complain about the weapons being op this or buff that then comes the nerfs and buffs again the armor is too weak the vehicles are too strong the vehicles armor is too weak or too strong... never ends. this is the game you bought into. this is 514. it will never be fair. most of you will go unnoticed. that is the way this game is. adjust to it. don't expect the game ot adjust to you. every other game on the market is there for that. quit trying to do the same damn things you do EVERY friggin year with EVERY friggin game. quit lowering it to your standards. join a corp or sit and watch. but quit trying to do this constraints thing that you do every single game release. you keep hobbling clans because they are clans. you keep trying to dial down the speed limit because your car won't go faster then 55. you don't want anyone else speeding because you can't. that's the long and short of it. if you were in one of those "big clans" no way in hell you would be asking for this kinda crap. just stop. grow a pair and play or don't. Peace B
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.22 16:07:00 - [36] - Quote This guy is reading far to much into these thread replies. Lol. Btw, there are 150 of us in my corp, that large enough? And, speaking of growing a pair, this guy has no stats, so he is obviously an alt who doesn't want us knowing his actual in game character.
MofaceKilla Algintal Core Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2012.10.22 16:17:00 - [37] - Quote Not only are you reading too far into these "complaints" (actually a well laid out argument but that's another story for another day) but half of them have not even been mentioned here. You're taking generic complaints from this community and fitting them on us because we're here endorsing a reset. Not a one of us asked for this because it would be fair. In fact, the guy arguing against us used that... Please go take a debate class or a troll class because you're failing at both and I can't figure out which one you're going for here.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.22 16:29:00 - [38] - Quote It still would be silly. That's like changing the number of delegates required for a speaking slot, after the event has already started. I mean, who does **** like that?
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.22 16:33:00 - [39] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: It still would be silly. That's like changing the number of delegates required for a speaking slot, after the event has already started. I mean, who does **** like that? Appreciate your view on it Noc, that's why i proposed it to the community.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.23 00:21:00 - [40] - Quote reading too much what? that you guys can't handle reality? somebody is always gonna have a leg up on you and you just can't stand it, can ya? gotta go run to mommy and daddy to shave those sharp corners off the world so you don't bump yourself and get a boo boo? and stats? you honestly are leaning on stats in a beta? that's actually only slightly more vaginal then the guy asking for the isk reset. only slightly. a closed beta at that? wow... just... wow. dude don't need a rez kit. dude needs a box of monistat 7 maybe you DO need the isk reset, huh? im embarassed for your clan if you're actually in one, that you would ask for the isk reset. that's kinda sad. any clan that would support that request would be worth a laugh to watch play. Peace B

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.23 00:29:00 - [41] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: reading too much what? that you guys can't handle reality? somebody is always gonna have a leg up on you and you just can't stand it, can ya? gotta go run to mommy and daddy to shave those sharp corners off the world so you don't bump yourself and get a boo boo? and stats? you honestly are leaning on stats in a beta? that's actually only slightly more vaginal then the guy asking for the isk reset. only slightly. a closed beta at that? wow... just... wow. dude don't need a rez kit. dude needs a box of monistat 7 maybe you DO need the isk reset, huh? im embarassed for your clan if you're actually in one, that you would ask for the isk reset. that's kinda sad. any clan that would support that request would be worth a laugh to watch play. Peace B looks like someone is going to throw a tantrum when they find out all the money that was transferred from the eve account mommy and daddy payed for just went poof.
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.23 01:58:00 - [42] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: and stats? you honestly are leaning on stats in a beta? that's actually only slightly more vaginal then the guy asking for the isk reset. only slightly. a closed beta at that? Peace V I'll try and dumb myself down to speak your language, just this once, then you can troll back all you want cause i wont be returning to this thread, as I have gotten the general consensus about my suggestion for as reset. Which was "No", and that's cool. I mostly wanted the SP cap to revert back to the way it was in the last build anyway. Man, actually read the posts above your reply before you reply. Please. I'm not leanning on stats, I checked to see if you have any, and you don't. You have 0 kills, 0 deaths, 0 WP, and 0 W/L, which means one of two things, either you haven't ever actually played the beta this build (then why are you here?) or you are too big of a vag to let us know who you really are. (in which case, you opinions mean nothing)
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.10.23 02:00:00 - [43] - Quote PS, until that guy this thread actually stayed civil much longer than i expected it to. I'm out. CCP, let it die.


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